Ice storage in prefabricated house (new construction) - provider

  • Erstellt am 2023-06-22 08:04:03

Fuchur

2023-06-23 13:11:23
  • #1
There is no problem with condensate. Even if some calculate that the floors would get wet. I have been cooling like this for 4 summers and have never had any problems
 

i_b_n_a_n

2023-06-23 14:36:28
  • #2
actually there is no condensate, the system regulates timely so that none is created. (I am not a plant technician, this is how it was explained to me or how I understood it). I only have cold feet in the bathroom, the rest is designed as wall heating (or cooling).
 

Allthewayup

2023-06-23 14:48:52
  • #3
Where are the values measured? In the room air or in the screed? Measuring humidity in the room air makes little sense at least, doesn’t it? By the time it reflects in the room air, the dew point in the screed may already have long been undershot and moisture is spreading. There are tons of opinions on this in various forums. Some also report problems with moisture, musty odors after longer operating times and corresponding climatic conditions. We have also ordered the pre-installation for cooling via underfloor heating from the general contractor, but honestly, I’m still not entirely convinced about the topic. An acquaintance placed moisture sensors under the screed in the insulation layer and distributed them across different rooms. He justified this by saying that condensation occurs where the temperature difference exists – in the floor structure – and if this is not detected and counter-regulated, moisture ingress repeatedly occurs. The calcium sulfate screed will certainly not be happy about this moisture in the long run. This is less of a problem in cement screed, maybe that’s why it works better for some over longer periods than for others? The costs compared to active cooling via air conditioning are of course “tempting.” We might leave it at the pre-installation for now and see how well we generate tolerable room temperatures with external shading. Edit: Our general contractor does not want to assume any warranty if cooling via the underfloor heating is implemented and damage occurs due to cooling in the floor structure.
 

Fuchur

2023-06-23 15:04:46
  • #4
The system doesn't regulate anything. The corresponding thermostat would simply close if the humidity became too high. That's sufficient in the air, as the temperature drop can be taken into account. But it's pure theory, it has never happened to me.
 

Fuchur

2023-06-23 15:09:16
  • #5
You can't compare that. Underfloor heating usually achieves 2-3K. That might be enough for better comfort, but it is no comparison to air conditioning, which above all also dries the air. In operation, passive cooling is almost free. A few circulating pumps, done.
 

HeimatBauer

2023-06-23 15:09:40
  • #6


That’s why I wrote: In case of condensation risk and not only when the sensor is soaking wet.



That was never a point of discussion with us, maybe also because cement screed was used.

As I already wrote in the other thread, it definitely depends a lot on the location. In more humid areas, an explicitly dehumidifying system that also provides the corresponding cooling capacity would certainly be appropriate. Here with me at 550m above sea level in the Alpine foothills, the weather is simply different than in Cologne on the Rhine.

But my main concern was actually the question asked from many sides why it absolutely has to be an ice storage system. We are all still waiting for an answer to that.
 

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