Heating type for new construction - Which is the best?

  • Erstellt am 2017-10-07 20:33:41

R.Hotzenplotz

2017-10-26 19:50:04
  • #1


I mentioned the €30,000 because I assumed I would have to drill twice. No one said that; I figured it out myself.



Someone has to build the house, after all. I requested three alternative offers. One was almost €100,000 higher, the second €40,000 higher—both also with various issues still to be negotiated—and the third hasn’t gotten back to me for weeks and had not submitted an offer despite several contacts.

A limit is nowhere near reached here, because according to the building consultant, the offer is better than what he usually sees on average. He also found the price very attractive and said that you won’t find better. And the provider is also one of the reputable and good ones who have been on the market for a long time. That they haven’t finalized everything before the contract—what is part of the not-yet-commissioned execution planning—might have to be understood.

Regarding the "compulsory expert," I’d be interested to know how regularly he was able to be taken down by users here.
 

ruppsn

2017-10-26 21:15:26
  • #2

Tell me, what the heck is bothering you?

If you don’t understand what I write, please ask. It doesn’t reflect well on you if you rant here for no reason, make things up, and accuse forum members of some nonsense.

Joedreck, unlike you, understood what it was about and accordingly gave a helpful, calm answer. Thanks again!

In contrast, you are unfortunately acting like a temper tantrum because someone maybe indirectly dared to question one of your statements or called many posts in such forums those of laymen? Just for your information, this is absolutely no judgment. If you’re not a professional, you’re simply a layman. That’s just how it is. If it hurts your ego, I’m sorry, that was not intended, but you have to deal with that yourself. In any case, no reason to flip out. So please calm down a bit.

No one attacked you or “your” forum, but there was a question about ammunition/approach/starting points for appointments with heating engineers. So what exactly is the problem? Why do you feel attacked?

I might be wrong, but didn’t you recently reprimand someone in another thread and ask what qualified him and who he was to have to evaluate and comment on everything?

Therefore, the same question to you now: what qualifies you to label an entire industry or most of it as fools and clueless? Are you by chance a technical building equipment planner, a heating engineer yourself, or otherwise a professional?

So far, I really thought your posts were well-founded and based on a lot of knowledge; they appeared competent. I would therefore assume that it should be easy for you to back up your claims with facts when asked....

...but you prefer to tease and lash out, as usually only fanboys and posers do because of lack of substance... why?

It doesn’t have to be like that, does it?
 

Alex85

2017-10-26 21:39:27
  • #3


You tell me. Your posting is full of attempts to provoke, not least the know-it-all tone in the final sentence.

Everyone here helps as best they can without expecting anything in return. If that’s not enough for you, there are other sources you can use. Your attitude of entitlement bothers me, which is why I’m upset.



Not Rumpelstiltskin, I mean this quite objectively and not personally. Not blindly accepting forum opinions is fine. Verifying them, however, is your job as a reader, not mine ("please with expert sources blabla"). Google is your friend. The keywords have now been mentioned several times, anyone can make progress with them. Someone will serve it to you spoon-fed for a fee, but not me. Every interested layperson here has gathered their knowledge. Literature, forums, Google, their own construction projects, and shares it. Just do the same and everything will be fine.



I’ve provided that to you. Multiple times. Here you go.



You’re mistaken.

What really annoys me is the audacity with which your "professionals" try to rip you off. If a heat pump costs twice the normal price and they stylize themselves as "saviors" in the process, that’s no longer normal. The statements of the professionals quoted here can be refuted by anyone through research. But honestly, that’s not my problem, it’s yours/yours all. You’re right, I got too worked up about other people’s problems.

P.S.:

How likely is your outdoor pool? Would it have to be heated? Then I find gas+solar thermal again not uninteresting.
 

ruppsn

2017-10-26 22:46:26
  • #4

No, it isn't. I was actually just trying to find out why you react the way you do. Anyway.


Good grief, where do you get all that from? You’re claiming things that don’t exist. I have no sense of entitlement – I merely asked if such things exist because I’d like to review them calmly myself and thereby position myself better vis-à-vis an HB. A discussion with an HB who fundamentally rejects forums and sees them as irrelevant can indeed be better managed with one page / specialist literature / source containing “information also recognized by him,” see for example info from TZWL or “komfortlueftung.at” in the area of controlled residential ventilation. And that’s all the question about “sources” was about!

I really don’t understand what’s so bad about the question? If you can’t provide that, fine, just say so and that’s that. Maybe one or the other knows a good source that helped them get started well. And in the questions, you see my “sense of entitlement”?


What bothers you is that I asked if anyone ideally also happens to be able to name specialist sources – for the reasons mentioned above? Seriously? Oh man...


Did I complain somewhere or act pissed off that what was offered to me was insufficient? No, I did not! Nor did I demand that it be served on a silver platter. So please be so kind and stick to the facts and don’t make up any nonsense! I’m really getting fed up...


Where am I not doing that? I didn’t post a complete offer to provide transparency and offer comparability for others? I didn’t try to present facts so that everyone can understand and use them? So what basis is this claim based on? Can you prove it? If not, please stop with these outrageous accusations!!!


Thank you – several times.


Then I apologize.


Yes, you can tell, and I understand that completely, no accusation at that point. Where my understanding ends is when people who feel exposed to these “professionals” are attacked and for whom it might not be so easy to refute the statements and therefore ask here for support – maybe repeatedly because they simply don’t understand it yet!

Try to understand that some here are at the very beginning and

a) cannot assess the relevance of the information that can be Googled so easily. One side claims this, the other that, one of them the HB – and it is not that simple and obvious to sort out what is “well-founded” and what is not. And sticking with the topic of buffer storage: you act as if you can read ONE single opinion anywhere online that says buffer storage is superfluous and clear as day. But that’s not the case, there are many different opinions – and a layperson who is just starting out is supposed to decisively decide that the pages supporting your position are the RIGHT ones and the others are WRONG? Do you see the difficulty and what point I’m making? And how should someone who is uncertain himself stand firm against an HB who is very sure of his position?

b) simply have a different level of knowledge than you, who have already dealt with the questions in very detailed and extensive ways.

So, and that’s all I’ll write on that. Either you accept that I did not attack you with the question about information, optionally and ideally also specialist sources, and also that I am not demanding anything from you and certainly not expecting you to spoon-feed it to me or serve it in bite-sized pieces.

And if it helps to smooth things over, I’ll apologize if it came across that way, which was definitely not my intention. And maybe you can manage to have some understanding that I was “slightly” annoyed above, because you can certainly argue the matter with me strongly, but completely unfounded accusations and insinuations also make my blood boil...
 

Alex85

2017-10-27 06:33:27
  • #5
I will now assume that the two of us caught each other at the wrong time. In that respect, I am done here.
 

FlohJoe

2017-10-28 18:13:07
  • #6
Just wanted to check in again

In the meantime, I have decided on a brine heat pump. I have not yet decided whether to go with drilling or a trench collector.

Best regards
 

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