Floor plan - plot for a single-family house, slight slope approx. 175m²

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hanghaus2023

2023-02-17 09:26:18
  • #1
The house fits quite well on the plot with the variant proposed by . One should clarify where to place the excess soil. I will check whether this is enough for leveling the plot.

the original house from Bien-Zenker in the initial post is about 8 m wide. I also do not yet understand why anyone would want to change that.

The original also has the ridge direction perpendicular to the long side of the house, right?
 

K a t j a

2023-02-17 12:39:50
  • #2
You want to build in the entire ground floor? It seems to me you always forget the support towards the street.
 

11ant

2023-02-17 15:28:29
  • #3
I mean — without wanting to rotate the house axis — that the original poster should either simply extend the basic house model (in my opinion the more reasonable option) or alternatively take a basic model in the desired width. A “modification” of the gable width always disrupts the statics of the basic model, so it requires a “custom design” and thereby largely negates having even taken a catalog model as a starting point. Except as a price calculation vehicle, it’s then worthless — and in my opinion, that’s not enough to justify accepting the limitations of the catalog model. Regarding the parking space issue, I think not widening is advisable here. I would decouple a driveway and an entrance. It’s not a cure-all, but often considerably helpful. I am happy to advise the original poster personally as well.
 

K a t j a

2023-02-17 18:16:02
  • #4
Bien-Zenker now has a website (presumably a landing page) exclusively for [Hanghühner]. I would definitely inquire there.
 

Unnerfranggn

2023-02-17 21:56:18
  • #5
Good evening and many thanks to everyone for your many constructive contributions :)

In any case, I gather that the "problems" and questions that occupied us most before this thread have to be put aside at least partly, and above all, the slope must be our main topic...
At least I see that as a bigger problem than the fact that it has already been signed. What would you have advised us, , if we were still "free"?

You really have a lot of ideas and I’m impressed by what you come up with!

But now I’ll ask stupidly concrete again, just so I have it sorted out (sorry – as you can tell, I am so not an expert...:
The planned solution with
- basement + window facing north (possibly light wells), buried to the south
- ground floor with terrace to the south
- upper floor
- carport with ascending driveway in the east and integration of the front door canopy
... mainly fails because of the narrowness in the carport, the excavations/supports needed to match the slope southwards to the ground floor level, and also the height difference the driveway would have to overcome (I can make it out in the graphics from )? What did I forget?
... according to the illustrations by , only a rope ladder within a carport stairwell seems to be an option there...

Well, good advice is expensive there.

I have to question the statics problem with these grid extensions again: does that mean our calculation dummy with the extensions becomes structurally more complex (more expensive) than a house that is designed from the start for similar dimensions? The seller only said regarding size change that in the end you only pay for the meters of wall you use – regardless of the house model. We once had another house with 11x11m calculated, it came out similarly (but it doesn’t fit on the plot).
By the way, in our calculation the house length changes equally. Only that these "grids" are simply attached on the left and right (eaves side) and on the gable side an extension is half "above" and half "below" added.

By the way, we also find the definition for wall height in the development plan highly interesting/ambiguous. Our architect said in the introductory talk that for the corner plot you can "probably" choose the variant that is more favorable for yourself. A call to the municipality resulted in the statement that the reference point for the wall height is at the corner of the two streets.
... I find that a pretty huge difference. I asked for written confirmation, which is still pending *shrugs* depending on the result, that would change the cards again...

Split-level is certainly not a bad idea for the slope, but it is not very popular with us. We would be glad if it could be avoided.

thank you for the info on the drainage of the basement windows. At least some information that doesn’t just cause worry lines on the forehead :)

many thanks for the exciting suggestion with a completely new layout. I think the slope is definitely well integrated into the house that way and the house fits in better. We will certainly also draw that up... The idea that the west is actually the more important side, since the northern neighbor will definitely want to dance closely with us, also occurred to us. A long house all the way to the east is certainly worth considering.

How things stand financially now would of course be really interesting – is that something that depends on Bien-Zenker or do I possibly need a capable/friendly/affordable civil engineer at hand?


I think I didn’t completely understand the idea. What do you mean by "follow the terrain"?
I understand "everything one floor lower" because it is "financially tight", unfortunately...

Bien-Zenker has not proposed anything yet. The path is supposed to lead us from the seller *cough* to the architect (to whom we want to bring many ideas). He plans with us, the design is sent to Bien-Zenker, they say what it costs and what is even possible, we redesign, back and forth, and in the end – tadaa – there is a house... Something like that – in any case, Bien-Zenker apart from the seller has not been involved yet.

What if you bite into the stairwell to the house entrance, place the carport to the northeast at street level at the corner of the plot, and behind the carport a wide staircase over terraced terrain leads to the main entrance on the east side? While still preserving basement windows to the north and otherwise (initially) the same floor plan? That way the carport could be wide enough and you would be more flexible to bury the house exactly so far that the terrace is on the ground floor to the south?
Would a staircase to the front door solve problems? Or is a terrace to the south rather the bigger problem because of the adjoining slope?

Sorry if I overlook something or ask twice – for me as a layman there are many construction sites and ideas simultaneously...
 

hanghaus2023

2023-02-17 22:34:28
  • #6
I am still trying to find the optimum location of the house and the floors.

Maybe can integrate the CP in the basement and a parking space at street level at the eastern property boundary. I would of course then provide the staircase inside the house and not outside. Let's see if I get to it tomorrow.

How old are the children?
 

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