Floor plan of a small bungalow with a wooden facade

Who you are, I have not yet understood: a family of secret current age, the parents thirty years older than the children, with a (rental?) apartment in the city and a still undeveloped large dacha plot, on which you want to have a permanent tent with a wooden facade for camping on weekends, which in "old age" (at 50!) should be suitable for reuse as a main residence. The garage is only to come then, but already now plays a supporting role for the topographical development. The technical development is to lead already existing utility connections as a kind of "external power supply" to the house connection room. My follow-up question, from which current living practice your surprise arises that a HAR is inadequate as a changing room for street-to-house clothes, I have not yet seen answered. Hallways "annoy you in apartments" - but which family living with children works in a loft? Where the building application urgently demands timewise if building may wait, I have not understood. From a gable open at the ridge, I do not necessarily see a requirement for symmetry following, and an authentic "fireplace" nowadays runs on a Raspberry and requires no chimney. The "family life" in terms of the parent-child-(living) relationship you apparently imagine statically until the children move out due to becoming independent - there I say "my experience does not agree." Mind you, including my professional experience as a construction consultant for various families.

It may be, apartments can be terminated. Most people at that age would be relieved to find affordable housing in the city.

Where does the belief come from that the children will stay in the city and even in an apartment? That seems to me the most unlikely of all possibilities. For our children, for example, the corresponding hit rate would be zero, for our acquaintances as well.

Please less speculation and life advice.

Life advice is far from me, I have enough of my own. But I do critically note that the "pre-planning/expectation" regarding your children seems unrealistic. A house, at least for most people here, has a lot to do with one’s own and current individuality. Planning a house appropriately for old age now is almost impossible and the interim period until then is also supposed to be reflected in it. Speculation is necessary when the OP does not fill out the entry form comprehensively, so that participants can also contribute appropriately; this has already been mentioned here from other sides as well.

and information is missing for that

That is exactly what I say, it makes it difficult for people here. In fact, I am not really interested in your private life, but as a forum member I do feel addressed.

Wanting to offer your children something that everyone else lacks is certainly understandable.

Actually, I do not know such a plan. I also do not know any children who sit on the street, they manage that on their own and then they are adults too. Holding an apartment in reserve is actually foreign to me. Of course, everyone should live their own plan and I know countless life concepts that I myself would not like but nevertheless work well. I understand that. It is only that this house would never be as it should be at any time, because too much is supposed to be reflected in it. The line between compromise and misplanning is dangerously narrow there.

No building obligation whatsoever and the property won’t be sold anyway,

I had to speculate here because you spoke of the necessity to submit a building application by June. That is how it is with incomplete information or only hints.

The children and we are significantly younger than you assumed.

I assumed that because you previously at some point spoke of 50/20. Again no concrete information in the entry form. How should one recommend a floor plan without all this knowledge, which you are asking for? There just isn’t THE floor plan, a really good floor plan fits the people living in it and that is exactly the crux.

We live 45 minutes away. Very urban. The property is close to the lake, very beautiful landscape. The contrast could not be greater. We currently go out almost every weekend. Many people in our region do that.

Good, now we know that. If that annoys you, just a short note is enough, then I will also bow out here, because I do not want to spoil your enjoyment of anything, but only to convey hints from a different perspective or also from another generation, which still remain just an opinion.

Thank you to everyone who contributed constructively. We have made significant progress and are now implementing the project. Asking for more and more personal details, only to then rant about it in the cheapest polemics, adds no value to the floor plan. Therefore, the topic can be closed.

The wish arose to show the floor plans with 3 rooms. These are of course smaller. Angled was also a suggestion that was made, of course it works little with 90 sqm. I don't understand where the problem lies.

For this reason among others:

+/- 3,000€ is still the norm

92 * 3,000 = 272, fits the budget. 110 * 3,000: does not fit. With kfw 40 etc. etc.

But when I look at the plot conditions there, it becomes exciting. And I wonder if you are not being too naive there.

But as I just read, the topic is settled anyway.

We have made good progress and are now implementing the project.

Then give the forum feedback on what you have taken from the discussion for the construction, what not, why not, and how it will be done now. People took the time for you, and through that, everyone can learn something again, both the client and forum participants. Otherwise, the impression arises that one should only applaud a project instead of clearly pointing out critical issues to the client.

Asking for more and more personal details, only to then indulge in cheap polemics about it, brings no added value to the floor plan.

Don’t worry about that. I recognized myself in 11ant’s description and had a good laugh. We mastered a similar project to yours, but at a different stage in life and did many things differently than “usually” done. It works great for us.

It is supposed to serve as a second home as long as the children are small and later as our main residence for us parents.

The idea has its charm. The challenge is to set the priority right. Do you build it ideally now for “later” and use it as a second home, or do you build it as an ideal second home and then use it as the main home later? In your design this priority is not recognizable. (I am referring to the initially published design.)

The facade is made of larch, the ceiling in the living room is open.

You can come and have a look at ours to see how it looks.

A square room is difficult to zone into TV area and dining corner.

Zoning would be easy for me (No priority on TV). I find the daylight issue more complex.

I would probably spontaneously rotate the house.

I thought so too, because I assumed that more would be visible “downhill.” But ultimately, I don’t know the area at all.

I join the others in saying that the utility room (HAR) is far too small if electric heating technology (heat pump, hot water tank) is to be installed. I am a fan of having a washing machine in the house. It hardly fits in the utility room if the building services are inside. I would not want it in the kitchen either.

The problem is that you are planning something where you actually want to live in x years. In the meantime, it is something else, e.g. a holiday home.

From my point of view, this is the crux that must be solved first (see above).

[*]Building later means not having a house until then and therefore using the existing plot less well. It certainly won’t get cheaper until then.

Building the “wrong” house cheaper is also bad. But I think the design is very livable. At an older age, there are too many rooms to maintain for me. If you imagine frequent visits by grandchildren, that relativizes it again. We solved it differently: The children with their own entrance (possibly even rentable) and us with a manageable part to maintain.

[*]There is a need to submit a building application by the end of June. So we don’t have to build yet, but it would be a shame to have planned only for the authority.

Understandable. Investing in more thinking hurts a bit – but sometimes it’s good to buy yourself some time.

[*]Doesn’t this apply to every construction project by people under 40 years old, that you have to make compromises long-term?

Uh, no.

[*]The worst case, like having to sell the house or to move in prematurely out of necessity, can never be completely ruled out. Therefore, so far out of necessity rather 4 rooms. I agree that this only means compromises for the planning.

I never considered that the worst case. Our house carries a lot of passion, but it is still just a house.

[*]It could become the first residence if the children take over our apartment. We would then be 50 years old and the children 20.

I know few families in which children happily took a development that matched the parents’ ideas. Drop the thought about what your children will do at 20.

That is the first cut position with this budget.

Not if the stove is an integral part of the heating system. We are doing very well with a masonry heater.