Kevke93
2022-06-01 11:37:16
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Thank you for the helpful input from your side!
We have not planned a low standard, rather mid-range. Our civil engineer has almost perfectly met two cost estimates among friends and acquaintances. We want to buffer risks from topics like price increases due to Ukraine etc. by having some trades lined up and also contributing our own work here. The carport, for example, is purely timber construction and will be implemented together with a friendly carpenter. Not included in the 503 k€ are: kitchen, fireplace, possible photovoltaic.
I agree with you. BUT my employer is bound by a collective agreement and negotiations are coming up soon. In addition, there are 2-3 relatively well-planned salary increases at intervals of 2-3 years. Accordingly, in a more realistic scenario, 30-35% should go towards the house. That would be okay for us.
I have already briefly explained the house price above. Wife with 30 hours after parental leave is quite common in our (Saxony) circle of friends. Some colleagues even return to full-time after 1 year of parental leave. I spoke with the bank today. They can only offer us the secured 2.42% for 15 years as those are still the conditions from 10.05. With a split of the loan, we would have 2.51% for 15 years fixed and 2.81% for 20 years fixed. Accordingly, I tend towards the "risk variant" 2.42% all in for 15 years.
Ancillary construction costs: This is because our civil engineer divides the costs a bit differently. The 487 k€ construction costs already include about 35 k€ for planning, surveying, building application, structural analysis, construction supervision, etc. Under ancillary costs only land-related ancillary costs (construction road, construction site setup, construction electricity, site development) are included. Total price: No basement is planned. Useable area includes the carport and the adjoining storage and workshop rooms. Our civil engineer has relatively good contacts with local trades, which explains the prices. Where we will actually end up will be seen.
What strikes me is the house price. 487 + 15 = 503 k€ and that including the double carport. For 190 sqm that should be a fairly low standard or you have included a lot of your own work?
Otherwise, I find the numbers reasonable and doable.
We have not planned a low standard, rather mid-range. Our civil engineer has almost perfectly met two cost estimates among friends and acquaintances. We want to buffer risks from topics like price increases due to Ukraine etc. by having some trades lined up and also contributing our own work here. The carport, for example, is purely timber construction and will be implemented together with a friendly carpenter. Not included in the 503 k€ are: kitchen, fireplace, possible photovoltaic.
If there are children, 40% of the income goes for the house. You have to like that. I would rather choose the security model. So 20 years
I agree with you. BUT my employer is bound by a collective agreement and negotiations are coming up soon. In addition, there are 2-3 relatively well-planned salary increases at intervals of 2-3 years. Accordingly, in a more realistic scenario, 30-35% should go towards the house. That would be okay for us.
The house price irritates me a lot.
487k for 250 sqm of which 190 sqm is living space.
That only comes to just over 2000€/sqm living space. And the carport is already included.
We already had 50k for ancillary construction costs before the price increase and not 15k.
Outdoor facilities in own work 15k could be possible, if no roofing or similar cost drivers are planned.
Otherwise all numbers sound logical so far.
Planning the wife working at 80% as a worst-case scenario I found interesting. Sure possible, but in our environment it is rather the upper than the lower limit.
Regarding the loan, I would split the amount.
The scenario with 4.75% is perhaps rather unlikely, but who really knows.
Only 15 years would be too risky for me as well.
That's why I would mix.
Overall you have insanely good interest rates. Friends of ours were offered 3% for 15 years and they also have a lot of equity and good income.
I have already briefly explained the house price above. Wife with 30 hours after parental leave is quite common in our (Saxony) circle of friends. Some colleagues even return to full-time after 1 year of parental leave. I spoke with the bank today. They can only offer us the secured 2.42% for 15 years as those are still the conditions from 10.05. With a split of the loan, we would have 2.51% for 15 years fixed and 2.81% for 20 years fixed. Accordingly, I tend towards the "risk variant" 2.42% all in for 15 years.
Income fits but the house costs can’t be right like that. 15k alone cost the connections with the building permit, not a bit of earth has been moved yet.
The building costs also seem very low to me. I assume the useable area includes a basement, then the prices definitely don’t add up.
We are building 180m2 without a basement and come to 650 kEUR with comparable land costs.
Ancillary construction costs: This is because our civil engineer divides the costs a bit differently. The 487 k€ construction costs already include about 35 k€ for planning, surveying, building application, structural analysis, construction supervision, etc. Under ancillary costs only land-related ancillary costs (construction road, construction site setup, construction electricity, site development) are included. Total price: No basement is planned. Useable area includes the carport and the adjoining storage and workshop rooms. Our civil engineer has relatively good contacts with local trades, which explains the prices. Where we will actually end up will be seen.