Financing comparison: past vs. today

2022-06-21 08:40:00

You cannot not pay H4, because this is the subsistence level.

What is the alternative? Then the incapable and parasites (yes, they exist) just die out? Or do they just loiter homeless in the city?

What you are saying exists. You can admire the results live in the USA.

Does that now mean the other way around, that one should support the incapable and parasites? I did not say that it should not be paid at all. I said that it should only be paid to those who need it. A 30-year-old will not need it, as he will get a job immediately. I see that in my circle of friends. Many come from Poland and work, without great language skills, in the Amazon warehouse or at Mercedes. There is currently enough work.

2022-06-21 08:43:01

A bit too off-topic, but whatever: It is claimed that this is the subsistence minimum. In reality, the money is enough for many also for parties, cigarettes, alcohol, and/or drugs. In my opinion, that then has nothing to do with the subsistence minimum anymore. In any case, I wouldn’t give out real money but only vouchers that exclude “luxury.” Whoever wants “luxury” should damn well go to work for it. And no, I don’t believe that most long-term unemployed Hartz IV recipients are so sick that they absolutely cannot work at all.

That brings us to the topic of child benefit. Child benefit should be invested in the children. For that reason, I wouldn’t pay any child benefit at all but rather enable free daycare centers, schools, after-school care, clubs—all including books and meals nationwide. This has the advantage that more children go to daycare. And being together with other children has never harmed a child.

2022-06-21 08:56:47

I see it the same way as you do with educational institutions and child benefits.

It’s different with the "freeloaders": YES, they must be supported.
Because otherwise someone else gets to decide what freeloading is and what is not. That sows a very nasty seed.

2022-06-21 09:03:48

I see it the same way as you with educational institutions and child benefits. Different with the “freeloaders”: YES, you have to support them. Otherwise, someone else gets to decide what freeloading is and what isn’t. That sows a very bad seed.

Is that really the case? What if you base it, for example, on age and ability to work? My standard example: a 30-year-old, healthy person doesn’t need Hartz IV. A 59-year-old who is healthy should be supported more.

2022-06-21 09:05:45

Having a lot of equity at 30 usually only works without studying or with a subject where a bachelor's degree is enough. Otherwise, you finish at the earliest in your mid-20s, often then have debt from BAföG or student loans, and are initially a career starter. Saving during studies is by far not possible in all courses, even with a part-time job or it would result in finishing and starting a career rather at the end of your 20s... by then others already have almost a 10-year lead. Or with studying and parental support. I partly had to manage everything except insurance with 485€ BAföG including semester fees... My small savings from school times were practically eaten up.

How do you get to the end of your 20s? Abitur at 18, bachelor at 21, and then master at 23. That's how the timeline looks. I don't see how you get to the end of your 20s there. Alternatively, start a dual study program at a company at 18 and receive a salary continuously during your studies.

2022-06-21 09:13:13

A bit too off-topic, but whatever:

It is claimed that this is the subsistence level. In reality, the money is enough for many also for partying, cigarettes, alcohol and/or drugs. That, in my opinion, no longer has anything to do with the subsistence level.

People probably "save" on other things during the month when buying drugs, things that people with a luckier background take for granted. Basic groceries, shampoo and so on.

I wouldn't distribute real money at all, but only vouchers that exclude "luxury." Those who want "luxury" should damn well go to work for it. And no, I don't believe that the majority of long-term unemployed Hartz IV recipients are so sick that they absolutely cannot work at all.

Uff. Article 1 of the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany, does that ring a bell with you? :/

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