Feasibility financing new construction (land + semi-detached house or semi-detached half)

  • Erstellt am 2022-03-31 16:22:08

bavariandream

2022-04-04 23:32:49
  • #1

As I said, I'm not familiar with the area, but I have at least never heard that things are bad in Stuttgart. And as long as demand remains high there, it probably won’t get cheaper in the surrounding area either (although honestly I thought the mentioned property was closer to Stuttgart).

Of course, some areas are significantly overvalued and in less attractive locations the good years are certainly over, but on the other hand, there is a lot of money circulating. And in times of high inflation, many want to invest their money sensibly. I have already heard from several mortgage advisors that they are increasingly seeing grandparents and/or parents giving their grandchildren/children money early so that they can buy a home.
 

WilderSueden

2022-04-04 23:54:52
  • #2
And that is exactly one of the reasons why I consider €700 for a new development area with "social selection" and €1200 on the open market to be totally excessive. It is quite a bit further away than Esslingen. A big city location definitely looks different. Stuttgart is not in acute trouble, but it is one of the hottest real estate markets in the country. And the area is very much dependent on well-paying car manufacturers and their suppliers. Whether all of them will manage the transformation to electric cars and other new forms of mobility (because simply replacing combustion engines with electric cars doesn't solve the problems) is by no means certain. If that goes wrong, it will hit property prices hard. And by the way, the most expensive locations have the farthest way down. We can discuss this for a long time, but I believe the OP has dropped out. If comes back, I would ask him to find out from the employer whether, firstly, a larger company apartment would be possible and what salary he would get without the company apartment. These are the two answers currently missing.
 

Hyponex

2022-04-05 12:03:33
  • #3


Well, a curve where there are no price increases for a few years at first, and then it becomes double-digit annually, is normal.
If you look at it from 2010 to today, there has been an 85% price increase in real estate prices.
BUT, if you look at it from 2000 to today, it was 82%! So in 20 years, less increase than in the last 11 years???

What is the reason?
You can look at the decades:
Inflation from 2000 to 2010 = index from 79.9 to 93.2 = 16.65% increase
Real estate prices from 2000 to 2010 = index from 84.4 to 83.9 = -0.60%, the prices fell in 10 years.
That means real estate lagged behind inflation here, i.e., you lost money with real estate...

How were the interest rates in that period from 2000 to 2010?
Because your argument is: rising interest rates = falling prices?
Interest rates fell from 2000 (about 7%) to 2005 (to about 4.5%),
then rose slightly from 2005 to 2008 (around 5%) and then fell again until 2010 below 4%.

So although the interest rate fell from 2000 (7%) to 2010 (to 4%), real estate prices in 2010 were lower than in 2000!
Despite falling prices, real estate prices remained stable, so interest rates had little impact on real estate prices!

Of course, with zero interest rate policy, where rates were below 1%, everyone also bought real estate because it was free money, and there were no interest payments on capital held at the bank.

Now in your example, I extend it to the full 21 years,
so from 2000 until today:
Real estate prices then increased by 82% (in more than 20 years! from 84.4 to 153.9)
Inflation: increased by 44% (from 79.9 to 114.8)

So still not as dramatic as it looks in the picture, real estate = 2x inflation, so in the last 10 years it was a good investment.

The important question is rather why it is like this? And upon closer inspection, I would say:

It is due to:
- low interest rates (but I would say only to a small extent)
- sharply rising construction costs (more so...) when construction costs rise, real estate prices also rise
If the new construction index in 2000 was at 100, now it is over 171 (November 2021), that is already a 71% increase!
(Close to the increased prices)
- legal requirements such as energy efficiency? We conveniently leave that out here completely.
How could houses be built in 2000? Low-energy house/passive house was probably the exception back then.
The Energy Saving Ordinance was introduced in 2000 and has been continuously adjusted. How much energy do houses built 20 years ago consume compared to today?
Because of the regulations, prices also rose automatically without market influence = also a reason for price increases.
And the regulations are getting stricter = price increase independent of interest rates!
(No oil heating, etc., i.e., so many requirements that make everything more expensive)
- Land, yes, there is plenty of it (NOT!) since it cannot be produced or multiplied here, prices for land in the near future will probably also rise disproportionately, independent of interest rates and construction costs

And yes, the companies' books are still full for 1-2 years, and then a correction could begin (could...)

Personally, I am of the opinion that we will see falling prices in the market if:

- craftsmen will have nothing more to do (so it won't happen completely, considering that currently you have to wait 6-9 months for craftsmen)
and small jobs do not come in at all (so the small jobs will also be worked off first)
> Here the question arises: if craftsmen then take 10-20% less wages but material becomes 10-20% more expensive due to increased energy costs, will it be cheaper overall?
- interest rates rise further, i.e., if they are over 3-4%

and people run out of EQUITY CAPITAL.
Consider that 20 years ago, financing was done with much less equity than today (equity capital today amounts to around 30% on average)
HERITAGE GENERATION, and if grandma/grandpa, parents get no interest for the money and it depreciates, the children/grandchildren get it for property!

And dear inflation, currently 7.3% in March
Interest rates would have to rise significantly so that people invest elsewhere than real estate (okay, there is the stock market... but for many it is bad, they don’t want to invest money there)
So no capital flight into real estate = that also drives the prices

And one could again add "politics":
What happens to detached single-family houses in regions where you no longer get building permits for detached single-family houses?
(In some regions already reality)
What happens to the prices there? Do they fall too? ;)

I think there is a lot to discuss about this, it may be that I am off with some points (I don’t have a crystal ball either...)

But if we want to continue having the EURO in the EU, interest rates must not rise too far, regardless of inflation.
Because otherwise there will be earthquakes in Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc., and that would probably be much worse than what happened with Greece back then...
 

Reihe_WE

2022-04-05 13:32:37
  • #4


A note on that. You have the same standard land value (€800/sqm) in the old town of Esslingen. Wendlingen has S-Bahn connection and is therefore categorically in this price range. This extends up to Kirchheim and then gets somewhat cheaper. Compared to Esslingen, from Wendlingen you are not only on the B10 towards Stuttgart, but also directly on the A8 towards Munich/Stuttgart. Many people working in the automotive industry have to go towards LE, Böblingen/Sindelfingen, and the connection to the A8 is an advantage there. I prefer to live in Wendlingen in terms of transport rather than in Esslingen. Even though Esslingen as a city is of course nicer.
 

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