Conversion of outdoor area into building land - possibilities

  • Erstellt am 2021-07-16 00:51:56

Escroda

2021-07-16 12:04:05
  • #1
Who says that? You mean the excerpt from the BayernAtlas? You mean the reddish area? This has no planning law significance at all. Where do you want to build? East of the existing house? No. That can be done. However, I do not see any necessity here at all. A benevolent approval authority can indeed approve according to §34 of the Building Code. Yes, the land use plan is only preparatory land-use planning. It does not create building rights. It does not delineate outer area from inner area. But it is a statement of intent by the municipality. It turns the property into land with development expectations. Developing a binding land-use plan here to create building land would be disproportionate for this small area.
 

Resl123

2021-07-16 12:49:35
  • #2

There was a real estate appraiser for the existing house and property, who, among other things, obtained information from the district office and conveyed it to us that way.


Okay, based on the statement of the real estate appraiser and this view from BayernAtlas, I assumed that this marks the inner area.


I roughly marked it on the aerial photo. This would be the most convenient location in terms of access. Otherwise, we are not fixed on that.


Okay, thanks for the assessment.


That sounds very positive already. Building according to §34 of the Building Code would be absolutely fine for us. We are glad if we are allowed to build at all :-)

Many thanks for the detailed answer and for taking the time! The possibility to obtain an overview of the inner and outer area, is that only directly through the district office, right?
 

Escroda

2021-07-16 13:30:22
  • #3
Probably not, because in most cases such an overview does not exist. Unless your municipality has issued a corresponding statute (e.g. inner area, rounding, inclusion, clarification statute) (I have found none), it is a case-by-case decision. Your case is not clear. It is possible that the city and district office do not even agree. That is not "playing dumb" but showing genuine interest. It shows that you have already dealt with the property and the planning law basics. Yes, but the land use plan is set up by the city, which is not the building permit authority. They may have other intentions. My advice: go into the conversation with the firm conviction that it is building land. Focus the need for clarification mainly on the size and position of the building structure and the development, not on a fundamental buildability. Which exactly? What exactly did she communicate? In writing? Is there an appraisal? No, it characterizes the areas of actual use according to the cadastre record. They are based on the subjective classification of the last surveyor on site or an aerial photo evaluator at the State Office for Digitization, Broadband and Surveying (LDBV). For your concern, the areas are meaningless.
 

11ant

2021-07-16 15:49:13
  • #4
To be honest, nothing looks like outdoor area to me: in the supposedly outdoor area at the top of the plan, I see on the one hand too much settlement to believe it is all agriculture, and to me it very much looks like the next section of a development area in a twenty-year scale, i.e., more like a scope boundary than an inner area boundary. My suspicion is that they are waiting until the majority of abandoned farms have become demolished abandoned farms and then want to consider a development plan based on the demand that will exist then.
 

Resl123

2021-07-16 16:30:24
  • #5

Okay, so that's how it works in practice. Good to know. Then I'll start with the district office and then proceed to the city.


Thank you very much for the tip. I will try it that way.


Yes, there is a short appraisal report stating that part of the property is located in the outer area and, therefore, construction is to be considered uncertain. That is why 2300 sqm were only valued as hinterland and not as building land.


Learned something new again.

Thank you for the explanations. That helps me immensely to go into the conversation with more knowledge.
Basically, that doesn’t sound so hopeless after all.
 

Resl123

2021-07-16 16:37:30
  • #6
thanks also for your assessment. Well, the best thing would be if the property appraiser was wrong. I myself have already wondered about this seemingly arbitrary boundary, but I am not an expert.
 

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