BEV insolvency

  • Erstellt am 2019-01-31 15:06:48

Caspar2020

2019-02-03 13:19:59
  • #1


Probably not.
 

11ant

2019-02-03 14:40:36
  • #2
Then I would set off. You can also reverse the last debit - what you have, you have. Legally, however, it is a bit complicated to offset claims from A against B before the insolvency with claims from B against A after the insolvency. Insolvency law is unfortunately the area where the proportion of shady corner lawyers is higher than in others (criminal defense of mafiosi explicitly included). At the same time, it is complicated and often constructed against common sense - so if you need legal assistance yourself, a traffic or family law attorney by your side is almost as valuable as an empty magazine ;-)
 

Snowy36

2019-02-03 14:48:16
  • #3

I also went to BEV and your idea about low installment payments—I had that too... but in practice, you can argue with them all you want, they set your installment! Mine was 93 euros even though I paid 70 before, how on earth do you want to get the supplier to accept paying less in practice?

Hey, and add up all your bonuses you surely won’t get from them anymore and offset everything—then you might even end up in the negative?

I would immediately add everything up, send them a letter, and if there’s a negative balance in the whole bill, have the payment reversed immediately, what are you worried about?

They surely have other problems right now than your 200 euros...
 

11ant

2019-02-03 19:20:11
  • #4
They have no problems at all anymore once the insolvency administrator has taken over the helm. Put simply, his course of action is as follows: where the company is a creditor, collect what you can; and where the company is a debtor, contest everything first – including legitimate counterclaims.

Example: the company owes the customer 300 euros, the customer owes the company 200 euros, then it is like this:

The customer thinks: 200 minus 300, so I don’t have to pay them anything and still get 100 from them;

The insolvency administrator demands the 200, which he wants in full. He first takes care of himself – let’s say his fee for the insolvency administration is allocated to this income as 40, the remaining 160 goes into the insolvency estate. Let’s assume the insolvency estate totals four million, and the sum of creditor claims is twenty million. And let’s also assume that the customer’s counterclaim would be recognized in full.

Then the calculation looks as follows: the customer pays the company 200, of which the administrator takes 40, only the remaining 160 are available at all for the counterclaim; he settles the counterclaim with 300 x 4:20 = 60. Net, the customer has therefore paid 200-60=140 instead of, according to his calculation, 200-300=100 received.

The right-of-way rule is unfortunately clear: law before reason, and therefore a simple subtraction calculation "they owe me more than I owe them, so I get something" turns into a point calculation "they have less than they owe everyone, so I still pay up" :-(
 

Dr Hix

2019-02-03 19:38:37
  • #5


As long as the claim existed before the opening of the insolvency proceedings, you are allowed to offset. Basically, you can't really do anything wrong. Reverse the last direct debit(s) and wait first. If they get in touch, explain the offset and pay any possible difference. If the insolvency administrator actually sues for the remaining amount, you can still acknowledge it at that moment and you haven't lost anything.
 

11ant

2019-02-03 19:49:43
  • #6
I would declare the set-off immediately, in a way as effectively declaring my time of payment.
 

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