What loan amount and how much equity capital should be reported to the bank?

  • Erstellt am 2017-05-20 11:25:07

Hausbauer1

2017-06-22 22:09:37
  • #1


Unlike some other posts, mine have always been respectful. It is far from me to belittle anyone. I have certainly not accused anyone of reduced intelligence. That is simply not true. Nor of lacking financial education. And you only read the risk aversion from my introductory words.
Be that as it may, if anyone felt offended or belittled by my words, I am very sorry and would like to apologize. That was not intended.

However, I stand by my point of view on the matter, and everyone may decide for themselves or calculate for themselves what they make of it. I do not expect anyone to apologize to me for the insults. Something like this, for example: "I hope the job title is meant as a joke..."

I simply wanted to present the original poster with a different perspective on things so that he can weigh it for himself. I did not expect to be attacked from all sides immediately, although I must admit that not every counterargument contained insults.

I think that is simply not the way to discuss, tough on the issue but respectful in dealing would be better in my opinion. But never mind. If someone wants to continue the discussion on the matter in a respectful tone, I am happy to participate. If insults come again, I’m at least out of this topic.
 

infors

2017-06-22 23:35:40
  • #2
So I am of the opinion, just my opinion, that investment knowledge like what, where, and how is the most fundamental basis. You can also learn that and you surely have it. But you only really have experience of what a crash means when you have gone through one. Better yet, two crashes. But please google "Kredit Aktien" or "Kapitalanlage auf Kredit". I think without having googled it myself that there are enough people who have chosen this type in the past. And there were certainly some who knew how to act. Especially if you have followed in recent years that the indices have gone up so much due to serious measures, I would currently never invest on credit in speculative types of investments regardless of the basic attitude. In 2000 it was especially popular in America to jump on the bandwagon of rising stock prices on credit. The trend simply went upwards for many years in the indices. Surely there were also winners who got out early. But for many, greed won over reason. Those are already important experiences from my point of view. You might have witnessed 2009. But that was something different again. Building a house and buying stocks on credit is an even bigger deal. Don’t be too greedy. Stocks are a pretty good form of investment, but it depends on the life situation.
 

jaeger

2017-06-23 00:03:49
  • #3
I am clearly of the opinion of Hausbauer1. Of course, this is not everyone's thing but definitely an alternative. In a country where only about 10% invest in stocks, such a "different" way of thinking is quickly frowned upon, as we have already seen.

Just a quick example, everyone can think what they want about it.
House 400,000
Equity account 70,000
Stocks 50,000

There are many different variants here. Some might sell the stocks and then use the full 120,000 equity, while others, for example, only use 50,000 equity, keep 20,000, and also keep the stocks. With a good portfolio of dividend stocks, this is more than sensible, because you can easily achieve higher dividends than the current loan interest. The loan thus partly pays for itself.

Of course, objections about stocks and dividends being uncertain will come again. Maybe, but money in the account is uncertain as well. With a sensible selection, I even claim the opposite. There are companies that have paid and increased(!) their dividends for more than 50 years, without exception! Furthermore, with stocks, you are a co-owner of a globally operating company. For example, if the euro is someday history, all those with money in the account are the losers...
 

Hausbauer1

2017-06-23 00:23:17
  • #4


I have now been investing for over 20 years. Look at the prices, then you know what I have already experienced. I would also never recommend speculating on credit. But investing from saved repayment rates into a moderate portfolio is something different.
I would also not sell my portfolio to take out less credit. I would give up 4-7% return p.a. to save 1.5% interest payment. But above a certain financing quota, you naturally have to pay significantly more interest, so you have to watch carefully where a good limit is. But this is quite easy to calculate.



Thank you. That’s how it is. Besides, there are also good bond ETFs that pay between 5 and 8% p.a. You can build something good with that. Of course, you can also include other asset classes.
 

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