We are planning our smart home in the single-family house

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Araknis

2024-01-05 08:29:05
  • #1
It doesn't matter at all who makes them, as long as they work with my other system. I can visualize consumption simply because I want to and can. Three actuator channels for the oven don’t really make a difference cost-wise in the end. By switchable I mean more in the sense of being able to turn off, or for dryer and washing machine for a "finished notification" via power consumption. Also as a shutdown when they are finished and no one is around or one is sleeping, so the things don’t annoy with beeping (like, for example, my washing machine) until doomsday. For the fridge or freezer I can detect if they fail. Whether a washing machine is running can, for example, also be part of leak monitoring. Do I have appliances on that need water or not, while the flow meter registers water consumption? Yes = all good, no = ball valve on the main supply closed due to possible leak, etc. There are several ideas like that. A smart home is supposed to relieve and support you; just turning lights on and off is unspectacular. Nothing is life-critical there, but generally smart homes are not life-critical.
 

Harakiri

2024-01-05 08:34:55
  • #2
Of course, many devices are now directly network-enabled (e.g., Home Connect, Miele@home, or similar) and can be integrated more or less nicely through a visualization (e.g., Home Assistant), display status messages, and also trigger further logic. This offers much more than simple power measurement.

But, admittedly, it is more difficult to configure, and can occasionally "fail" because some idiot at BSH once had a crazy idea.
 

jens.knoedel

2024-01-05 08:49:25
  • #3
That is a reason I can well accept = hobby You can usually just turn that off ==> operating manual ;) Yep. The dishwasher, for example, complains when the supply of tabs is running low. Crazy...
 

Sahitaz

2024-01-05 09:30:29
  • #4
I believe that switchable socket circuits are becoming less and less useful, that is correct. Due to the low standby consumption of today's devices, their usefulness is questionable. But there are still occasional applications such as the prime example, Christmas lighting, but also really useful things like outdoor socket circuits for terrace & Co, or maybe even the attic. Nevertheless, some switchable channels will still be needed, whether door openers, towel heaters, lighting, irrigation pumps, ... The power measurement is definitely also to be questioned; it can be used for typical devices like stove, refrigerator, washing machine, ... as condition and defect monitoring, but in the future there will be more and more functionalities like Home Connect, etc. that can replace it. The only question is whether one wants to tie oneself to it (I claim the effort will remain manageable), in the worst case the power measurement channels would just be parameterized as normal switchable channels.
 

RotorMotor

2024-01-05 09:32:41
  • #5

Where did you get that nonsense from?
Clearly neither from studying nor from practical experience.


Nothing adjusts without actuators.
What you mean is that certain self-regulating effects occur as soon as saturation happens in the rooms.
But that neither saves energy nor increases comfort.


And that is also wrong.
It reacts pretty quickly.
For example, set to 21.5 degrees in the office, it maintains the temperature continuously.
If exceeded, it closes the circuit and the temperature immediately stops rising.

A bit of physics again: The heating circuit delivers 200W at a delta T of 3 degrees and flow rate of 1 l/min.
The PC, monitors, notebook, and one person alone already produce about 400W.
Not reacting to that and continuing to heat with 600W cannot make sense if the alternative is real regulation.


Again, you apparently have no practical experience here.
My experience: it works just as well as heating!
In winter, when heating, I have an indoor to outdoor delta T sometimes over 30 degrees.
In summer when cooling, rarely more than 5 or 10, so inside 23, outside 30, that's only about 7 degrees delta T.
That can be cooled very well.


With KNX absolutely no problem at all.
Although installing in all rooms is of course nonsense.
Basically, it is enough to evaluate the exhaust air humidity from the controlled residential ventilation.


Haha, you’re something else, first saying it doesn’t work and must be done very elaborately, and then saying you just do it somehow and wonder why it doesn’t work?!


When cooling, I want the hydraulic balancing essentially reversed compared to heating. And that is exactly what a sensible ERR control does automatically.
For example, when heating, I want minimal flow in the bedrooms so it doesn’t get too warm when sleeping.
When cooling, I of course want the flow to be as high as possible.
For bathrooms, exactly the opposite: in winter fully open to make them nice and warm,
in summer fully closed so it doesn’t get too cold. And in bathrooms you can really get condensation problems quickly if you pump cold water through the floor or walls.
And ultimately, this applies to all rooms. With ERR I just set the target temperature once and it is maintained. I don’t have to go to the distribution box twice a year to redo the hydraulic balancing.

But frankly, what’s the point of the discussion?
How can someone come up with the idea of making their house smart, spending tens of thousands of euros, and want to save a hundred on an actuator plus a few tens for control valves just because someone on the internet said “underfloor heating regulates itself”?
 

mr.xyz1

2024-01-05 10:56:12
  • #6
We do have switchable sockets, but in groups. For example, all sockets for Sonos speakers on the ground floor, socket group for entertainment in the living room... This way, unnecessary devices can be turned off when absent/asleep and save electricity. In my opinion, this is very pleasant and useful.
 

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