We are planning our smart home in the single-family house

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Schnubbihh

2024-01-04 11:17:16
  • #1

Thank you very much for your honest feedback!

Indeed, only front door and patio door are meant. Nothing is planned for interior doors.

A Tecalor (Stiebel Eltron) THZ 5.5 eco is to be installed. KNX connection is basically possible, and heat pump + central residential ventilation in one. I think we will hardly adjust the underfloor heating, but room temperatures should be digitally controllable (probably the actuator at the heating circuit valve should be enough for that, I assume?). Since the heat pump also includes ventilation and possibly passive cooling, I already see more interesting use cases here, which is why I would consider a general control. Exact use cases still need to be defined. Example: If at least one window is open in the morning and outside temperature < inside temperature, then extract fan at max to draw fresh air in from outside (something like that…)

Yes, pure material costs. With some experience, programming can be done yourself with these parts. Installation in the larger flush-mounted boxes should probably not be a cost factor (I suppose?).

15k€ would be completely within my budget. I am more worried about costs in the 40-50k€+ range, in which case the whole project will probably be dropped for budget reasons (my better half won’t agree either).

Exciting, I will add that to the wish list!
 

Sahitaz

2024-01-04 11:19:36
  • #2
short addendum, the 15k€ were also component costs (including 1000€ for the software itself) for programming KNX yourself and thus without an electrician -> was only meant to draw the comparison to your Homematic price indication. But you definitely have to compare the scopes here! The calculation example included dimmers, switching actuators, roller shutter actuators, current measurements, window contacts, temperature sensors and controllers, and so on and so forth. That is already a reasonable scope for a single-family house. Maybe (but I cannot judge) more or more complete than in your estimate for Homematic. I don’t know how deep you went into it. I installed Homematic for my parents for the roller shutter control, so I don’t want to speak badly of it. Works flawlessly and for pure roller shutter control it was definitely cheaper and less effort than KNX. But I want to point out that the more you implement, the smaller the price difference becomes and depending on the focus and wishes it can also lead to a sign change, or also not.
 

Sahitaz

2024-01-04 11:33:44
  • #3


There is a widespread opinion in this forum regarding individual room control and heating actuators (I might add that I agree with this opinion). The usefulness is particularly questioned in combination with heat pumps and underfloor heating. Highly insulated houses with slow-reacting underfloor heating systems and low supply temperature due to the efficient operation of heat pumps usually do not allow significantly different room temperatures anyway. Therefore, the flow rate and supply temperature for the entire system can rather be adjusted (but this must be clarified with the heating engineer). This way, dispensing with switching actuators and control valves would be possible. But then it definitely no longer works on a per-room basis.



I just wanted to first try to draw the comparison so that apples are compared with apples. So comparing material with material or a complete system including installation with the same. To be fair, it must be said that familiarizing oneself with KNX parameterization is definitely more complex than with Homematic, and that should not be underestimated. So a KNX system from an electrician would likely land in the range you mentioned, which I really find hard to estimate. But a Homematic system ready from an electrician won't stay at 10k either.
 

Schnubbihh

2024-01-04 11:47:50
  • #4

How should this be handled in such a case when we want 19 degrees in the bedroom but 22 degrees in the living room? That should be possible, or am I misunderstanding that?

Understood, here I need to read into this a bit more deeply to realistically assess how much of the KNX programming I can manage myself and where I need the help of an electrician.
 

Schnubbihh

2024-01-04 12:01:47
  • #5
Maybe a silly question, but is individual room control of the ventilation even possible with a central ventilation system (Tecalor THZ 5.5 ECO)? According to the operating manual, you can only choose between levels 0-3 of the ventilation, but I assume that this always applies to the entire house? I would like to be able to control the supply air and/or exhaust air (bathroom) specifically. Is something like that possible?
 

jens.knoedel

2024-01-04 12:07:55
  • #6
You can plan that as part of the heating design. Basically, 19 to 22 degrees in a new building is more than barely achievable. Then rather sleep with the window open to make it cooler…
 

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