Video doorbell system with two-wire, new construction

  • Erstellt am 2023-12-17 01:52:58

Araknis

2023-12-18 12:11:51
  • #1
So the classic. Electricians without motivation and/or knowledge and builders only without knowledge. Now you can't pull cables anymore? Or can you? I don't have the construction progress on hand right now. But you can already start reading up on the topic "WLAN Mesh", I think. Please don't even look at Devolo or other powerline junk.
 

11ant

2023-12-18 14:37:28
  • #2

I rather suspect the order was "once as usual". If the electrician doesn’t look retirement-age yet, unfortunately many builders wrongly assume he knows which decade we're currently in.

A site visit only makes sense with a script, otherwise you might as well spin a wheel blindfolded.


I couldn’t have said it better. A cable is simply the "shortest" and most stable connection to a fixed endpoint. Direct, continuous, repeater-free. The risk of failure is equal for both insofar as they are often managed by the same TriplePlay AllInOne box.

Yes, that presupposes knowledge of my way of thinking, according to which a house planned with an architect covers the entire scope of services from phase 1 to 8, so the architect also does detailed planning, tendering, and construction supervision. This should essentially provide multiple safeguards against an electrician later installing a doorbell wire old-school style under the plaster as in Schmidt’s era. "Prying open" was just said casually; with a wall chaser it’s quick and nearly painless (the undersized cable may be damaged in the process, it won’t be reused anyway).

(WLAN) Access Points (which for LAN you would simply call network sockets) provide wireless network coverage. Mark all users in the floor plans, fixed and nomadic separately. For example, you access the internet with a laptop from the living-dining room and sometimes walk with it into the home office. For half an hour you don’t unplug it there, but for a full home office day you do. You rarely surf at the dining table but often on the sofa. So you are only one user in the floor plan but represented by several symbols: sitting as "x" and roaming as "!", specifically in this example: "!" at the dining table, "!!" on the sofa, "!" in every corridor from the living to the home office, and in the home office then "!" and "xx" (you) as well as another "x" (scan fax). Now you see where which sockets and access points belong (the latter preferably on the ceiling).
Back to solving the original question: the classic wired doorbell intercom can certainly be done by wire, and the video function parallel and independently (possibly also on other cable or wireless paths). The problem is multifaceted: architects delegate planning to electricians, and electricians let the manufacturers do the thinking for them. Unfortunately, manufacturers mostly have ONE philosophy (and they stick to it to the bitter end; innovation is for girls and other couch potatoes). For “grown reasons,” some manufacturers are very proud to manage with as few wires as possible. But there are others (also with the same attitude towards philosophy, Catholic or Protestant, ecumenism is considered devil’s work by both camps). A competent planner, however, always installs network cables*, because that is fully backward compatible, i.e. the cable doesn’t care if you leave three pairs of wires unused. The electrician is usually brand-loyal to the death: if he swears by Grothe, he couldn’t care less if Siedle works with it. So I would definitely consider having the doorbell intercom “planned” by the electrician, and a set of, for example, two webcams addressed separately via smartphone, whose motion detectors also call you when someone is lurking in front of the door. These can very well be people who wouldn’t even intend to ring.
In the (W)LAN topic, every electrician who took his master craftsman exam after the euro change feels “modern enough.” His actual contemporary relevance depends on how often he looks into his apprentices' vocational school booklets (and whether he dares to ask them what is shown there). The average village electrician calls every Western connector “digital.” He never needed to know more, and that was the case even with his grandfather. He leases his Toyota HiAce from Ismairwilfried (I assume Gerhard Polt’s Sportpalastrede is known) and that’s it – that has to last until retirement.
*) dear readers at the “child in the well” stage: 1x 10DA or 2x 4DA are never too much on the line between door and opener
 

FloHB123

2023-12-18 15:07:23
  • #3
But you are really sure that you need something like this, right? Because to me, it doesn't sound like it. If I assume a normal single-family house, actually just an intercom on the upper floor is enough, in case it takes a bit longer to get to the door. DHL, Amazon, etc. now simply leave the packages at the door or at a place of choice. In the past, you still had to talk to them so that they wouldn't take the package back. Nowadays, that's not necessary at all. And for whom else do you need the video? At most for guests you don't want to let in. If you don't expect many uninvited people and other cables can't be pulled, I wouldn't make such a big deal out of it. And yes, of course WLAN is completely sufficient. However, there must be power somewhere if you don't want to change the batteries regularly. Therefore, basically a network cable, through which power can also be transmitted via POE (requires a corresponding switch), would of course be an advantage.
 

11ant

2023-12-18 15:15:23
  • #4
We are talking about a "normal single-family house," albeit reversed (i.e., upper floor down), yes.
 

Musketier

2023-12-18 17:06:05
  • #5

I definitely see advantages in having children so that the door is not opened immediately to every stranger. As children, we had a door chain and later a door viewer. At least I have never seen a chain again since then.
If you want to access it via an app, that also means you have to open the system to the outside. Whether you really want that, especially if door opening is also connected, everyone has to decide for themselves. Comfort vs. security

Our electrician was just as useless, and we had no idea about this during the specification process.
That's why we only had a doorbell wire and retrofitted a network cable for the intercom and a cable for the door opener and an automatic lock last year. I wanted to combine camera and door opening with fingerprint and chip system; with the cheaper providers, you quickly reach the limits. If you add insurance-compliant locking and emergency opening function, e.g., in a power outage, the options become even more limited. Here, you really have to think carefully in advance about what cables you need where. For example, I couldn’t get away with just a LAN cable at the outdoor station but also needed an additional cable for door control.

If door opening is important, the question is also whether there is a cable for signal and power to the door.
 

AlexWIMV

2024-02-05 12:10:20
  • #6


I am currently in the same situation laying appropriate cables to the door in the shell construction, but I’m not yet sure how exactly I will implement it. We are getting a front door with automatic lock and a numeric code keypad, which means it needs at least a 4-core doorbell/telephone line to the doorbell transformer in the meter cabinet.

Furthermore, I want an outdoor station with a doorbell button and camera, which I could address via POE. But now I don’t know how best to make the network connection (through the 36.5 cm aerated concrete wall and plaster):

1. drill through, feed a CAT installation cable through and leave it hanging out?
2. drill through, feed a CAT installation cable through and lead it into a flush-mounted box outside? (Problem: outdoor station is usually flush-mounted, so a flush-mounted box would interfere)
3. drill through, feed a conduit through, install a flush-mounted box inside, CAT installation cable to the flush-mounted box, then connect the outdoor station with a patch cable through the conduit?

Of course, everything nicely airtight and secure.
 

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