The architect wants to plan only performance phases 1-4

  • Erstellt am 2023-05-10 14:23:00

11ant

2023-05-11 13:45:51
  • #1

To make it short: correctly understood in the result, and the reasoning can be accepted as is.

If you went to the usual architect who mostly has experience only with masons, that would be exactly the most frequently evaluated risk. In this respect, your above reasoning can be considered appropriate. With the architect cooperative I recommended in post #5, you don’t have this problem, which is why I recommended them here: you could say they specialize in timber frame prefabrication of all manufacturers.
 

Maulwurfbau

2023-05-11 14:28:07
  • #2


Thank you very much for the explanation.

Even if I might be considered stupid now.

The risk I described would only exist with the independent masonry architect if he also does Phase 4 and possibly 5, right? And then the house builder gets the short end of the stick because nothing fits. Or is the design in/from Phase 3 already so heavily affected?
 

11ant

2023-05-11 15:37:49
  • #3
I also thank you for hints where I have not explained something also understandably for stupid people. The design of a "stone architect" would of course already be affected by this phenomenon. What I advised in post #5 to readers who have not yet committed to a specific general contractor (GC) applies by analogy also to those who have already found their GC – whether timber or stone: namely to seek the conversation with the GC already with the result of service phase 2 – i.e., the preliminary design. So, even if you go to "A better Place" or other architects experienced with timber construction: involve the GC already before transitioning to service phase 3. Also make two architect contracts for only service phases 1 to 3: one for service phases 1 and 2 aka "Module A" with the option for service phase 3, and a second one after the dough rest phase for service phase 3. If you google the search terms with quotation marks (external links are not desired here), you will find my explanations: "A house building roadmap, also for you: the HOAI phase model!" is a series of posts for understanding the phase model and my recommendations to portion the phases. Before service phase 3 I ALWAYS recommend inserting the dough rest phase!
 

Maulwurfbau

2023-05-11 15:55:09
  • #4
Yes, thank you! There is nothing more to say.

Let's see if I can implement that. Although it already seems to me that any approach in the direction you described (independent architect plans up to XYZ, general contractor details and executes), even if not implemented 1:1 in every detail, is better than letting the salesperson plan at the timber builder.
 

11ant

2023-05-11 16:12:23
  • #5
Gladly, but more can always be said. The source of the mentioned post series also shows the way to it. What makes you doubt your implementation skills, and which details do you fear are at risk of being lost on the way to implementation? Of course, you are absolutely right in assuming that salespeople are no wise choice as substitutes for planners. Not least because the qualifications for phase 1 services are not satisfactorily covered in any salesperson training, not to mention the further phases; but the price bombs concerning terrain-related ancillary costs are essentially buried in service phase 1.
 

Maulwurfbau

2023-05-12 11:46:51
  • #6


No, it will work. It has already been coordinated with the architect.
 

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