Split-level from 1967 - experiences?

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11ant

2024-03-27 15:17:14
  • #1
An apartment where Mom can come home from the disco whenever and with whomever she wants can already be conjured up on the ground floor. And where she can watch Marienhof when football is on upstairs. I would use the larger living room together if I were you.

The exterior wall made of sand-lime brick and clinker is energetically 80s - so progressive for 1967, but otherwise a small drawback. Show the brickwork pattern on a large scale and in detail at an outside corner; hopefully you took photos yourself during the viewing.

A solution will be found here with the architect. After all, he has already gotten involved here [hheh].
 

danibel

2024-03-27 16:09:00
  • #2


Delicious!



That's what we plan to do, of course also the garden. But if I have heard one thing about successful multigenerational concepts, it is "Everyone needs their own four walls and a door to lock."



Shame on my head - I'll make up for it next time!
 

ypg

2024-03-27 22:37:53
  • #3

But it can’t be seen anywhere, can it? It would be at the level of the east balcony, if I’m not mistaken. What kind of staircase is it, is it suitable for a main entrance?

I only do floor plan designs when the questionnaire regarding residents and needs is completed
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundriss-planung-unbedingt-vor-beitrag-erstellung-lesen.11714/

For example, with 2 people I would forego a conventional guest toilet here if you don’t want or can’t change the rooms in the rear area.

Who exactly do the “4 people” include? Is the mother already counted?

Oops!

How old is she that you must or want to include her/integrate her living here? …

… and it’s already called “barrier-free” accessibility?

Oof!

That’s exactly right.

Does she know about this? Is it her wish as well?
Wanting, being able to, and having to are different things. Why must you live under one roof to be able to see each other regularly?
Why not approach this without black-and-white thinking and look for options without the “must-haves” of wanting and having to?
Isn’t it simply obvious that the mother moves nearby? That way you have everything: privacy, space, your own four walls, and close contact with the grandchildren as needed.
I know a situation where the grandmother also moved closer. One year later, she retired and since then has been able to take care of the grandchildren by taking them to and picking them up from daycare and also looking after them in the afternoon until the parents return. She also has a key to the house and does housework there. Now she is 70, still young at heart, and would never move in with “the children.” She is happy to live one kilometer away and to have her “freedom” sometimes. Don’t get me wrong: this was and is her choice—to be there for the family while still having private space.

Because: I see a great and stylish house here that has its own charm. That charm comes at a price. You can also create a separate living area through split levels. However, in my opinion, this house is not a multigenerational house. For that, in my opinion, more than 180 sqm are needed for 4 people plus one person with additional needs, and especially a certain degree of separation. This house thrives on openness, just as it also features views through windows, whether in interior or exterior walls.
If you change a lot there, the character of the house changes, very likely negatively, and it will still be difficult regarding space requirements. Let me be specific: the bedroom doesn’t have much floor space, so you may look for storage space, and if not in the accessible utility room, then where? Children’s rooms are barely acceptable. Toddlers will play in the living room and thus use space that you won’t have with 5 people.
The bathroom is tiny, and whether you can find an expansion, even with a separate (guest) WC, is almost hopeless. I see no alternatives if you disregard the basement rooms. There is no family office or home office without the basement as well as repurposing the utility room… so there are too many wishes at once. For 4 people: great house, but you have to accept a certain tightness. Multigenerational house: no.
My advice: reconsider options—also because of the multigenerational aspect—and/or let someone else have the house.
 

ypg

2024-03-27 22:47:56
  • #4
… and the mentioned 60000€ for a separate granny flat are also very idealistic and, as such, not really to be found given the space requirements on the property. Cost for granny flat: 3000€/sqm living space. And even if you could somehow push that down to 2000€/sqm – you’re somehow dreaming of around 50-60sqm extra for mom, I’ll skip adding that up if you’re already gulping at 60000€.
 

dertill

2024-03-28 08:02:00
  • #5


Exactly for these cases there is the extended equivalence proof for thermal bridges according to DIN 4108 Sheet 2, which includes, for example, the attached image for a cantilevered parapet. There are also analogous versions without cantilever and further variants – also as described with thermal separation of the parapet; I have not yet seen one built entirely from insulation material. Then it is up to the planner/energy consultant to coordinate that with the company installing the ETICS.



Yes, thin bricks are of course possible. I always find the base step there unattractive because it screams that these are not "real" bricks. For our house, we worked ourselves with thin bricks. Arber only as an extended base on 14 cm ETICS and wood above that. Then no additional offset was needed at 30 cm above ground level:

You can also place a full brick in front, but that is more effort. You need a separate foundation strip in front and you get 10 cm more wall thickness. If you have 36 cm now, with ETICS that already comes to well over 50 cm, even without cladding.
 

danibel

2024-03-28 10:14:52
  • #6
Thank you for the many hints, they really make you think.



Yes, it does exist, in my impression it has already been used as an access staircase, but so far it is not suitable for winter use because the steps are made of wood. It could be better constructed without violating clearance areas.



Alright, I will do that if THIS HOUSE becomes the one and I turn to the forum again with trust! Thank you.



Yes, the mother is already included in the 4 people. The barrier-free living is because it would somehow be silly now to plan something for her that is not barrier-free and then not fit in 10 years.

These are all very good points, and especially on the topic "all under one roof" I think every family has to have very honest conversations and choose the best option for themselves. Whether that is right will only be shown by time, and it can get quite explosive. We have observed several of these concepts in our circle of acquaintances and thought and talked a lot about it. For various reasons (and of course always jointly and also at my mother's request!) we decided on this option and are therefore looking for a house that can handle that. What in this case I believe is possible without...



...having to change too much.



The bedroom is indeed quite small, but we could arrange everything and would be satisfied with the 17sqm. (Or you do the extension, but instead of in the basement, upstairs by the master bedroom where the terrace currently is *laugh*). We would combine the two children's rooms to create one of about 20sqm for our only and last child. That the bathroom is small is true, especially because guests would then always have to go through our sleeping hallway. That would actually be somewhat suboptimal...

Entrance area then in the current utility room, which honestly would also create a much nicer access to the house. Because the only thing I don’t really like is the current "main entrance door" and the way to the upper living level. You walk through a long corridor, then through a door into the stairwell, past the heating room, then half a flight of stairs up, past the cellar (future home office/guest room, since it will be furnished with a large window and daylight so livable) and past the drying room (future utility room and cellar), half a flight of stairs up again and only then standing in the upper corridor. That is a rather long and dark path; you feel like you are walking through a front house to get to the back house.
Through the current side door and the utility room you come in instead and enter directly the beautiful, bright living level. Then you go half a level up to the sleeping area and half a level down to the cellar/utility room and office/guest. And half a level down again you arrive at grandma's.



There are four of us, I think I expressed that unclearly.



I think I also expressed myself incorrectly there. I would make the current main entrance in the basement, the hallway behind it, the current "play cellar", the cellar room behind that and the WC into the apartment and initially had concerns that the area would not be enough for a 2-room apartment. Hence my idea to build one room on. But by now we (including my mother) are quite sure that you can make something good out of the total approx. 45sqm that come together there. With the help of a professional of course. That way everyone would have their own separate area in the house, with their own entrance (mother 45sqm, we three about 200sqm). A small terrace in front of the granny flat, and of course the garden can be shared.



I would hope that by the described approach we would take away as little of that charm as possible. Thanks again for the many food-for-thoughts; the project would indeed not be trivial.
 

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