Good evening everyone,
wow – I didn’t expect so many replies within 24 hours. Super cool and thank you very much for all your answers and opinions!
It is tough to read that almost everyone recommends resetting the planning back to zero and starting all over again. But the more I think about it and read it from you, the more I tend to take this step. It also annoys me because we have invested so much time and energy up to this point. And our architect never raised the cost flag.
That is also the point that I simply don’t understand.
How is the building being done? Self contracting (via architect) or with a general contractor/general planner?
I consider the electrical costs ambitious… for an additional (Gira) socket I paid €25 in 2020 or €35 if switched via KNX (without actuator). Yes, everything is more expensive but €110 per socket is quite steep.
So far we plan through the architect. He is currently also looking for a general contractor as plan B. Yes – if I look only at material costs, I also come to around €40 for many elements. That’s why it surprises me that the costs are so high – or does an electrician really take an hour to install a socket? And €4 per meter of electrical cable also seems ridiculously high to me. But apparently such costs can be charged, if I understand everyone here correctly?
Regarding electrical… is there even a well-thought-out plan? If I interpret your excerpt correctly, you want to control 250 sockets with KNX… if the rest of the planning looks like that, in my opinion you shouldn’t be surprised about the price… it could be more economical.
I never spoke of 250 sockets as KNX. There will be some switches with KNX here and there, yes. But definitely not all 250 switches/sockets. But he said that the €110 was a mixed price between normal sockets/switches and KNX sockets/switches. The electrical planner had also planned 54 smoke detectors in his first cost estimate. I don’t even have that many rooms. I just don’t understand what the electrical planner has done so far. That’s why
... that the basement resembles an underground city and is completely over the top and pointless. (What can one store on 20 sqm as supplies? – just to give an example.)
For €1.5 million you can build a nice house. I would also completely reconsider the orientation of the main terrace and the connection of the kitchen in the new plan. It would also be questionable whether I would stick with the architect who caused me such a misjudgment.
Yes – the basement is too big. I agree on that. How do you mean regarding the terrace and the kitchen?
Plan new and smaller. Simply cutting here and shortening there won’t work. The house is already very large. I think with 100 sqm less and luxury fittings you can come closer to your budget and still have a dream house.
Exaggeratedly, you can hold balls in your entrance hall, install a bowling alley in the dressing room. Would you still feel comfortable?
There are also houses with around 200 sqm that have an entrance that creates the wow-villa effect.
The 350 sqm must also be filled with life.
Go through all rooms again. Wine cellar wish or wine collector. Do you need a cellar or is a wine fridge enough?
Do you need so many hobby rooms? We also planned a hobby room for everyone once. We realized none and haven’t missed it so far.
You can also avoid each other all day long.
If I think about ’s project, I fear that the €2 million will already be tight.
I also think that we will start again with a plan of 240 sqm for now. It is true – the space needs to be filled with life and some rooms simply have to be cut.
For the new house, I would let the rooms be better put into proportion in your place…
Huge air space, huge entrance hall, and then a 4 sqm guest bathroom is strange.
Yes – the 4 sqm have also been an eyesore for us. We have to manage a shift in proportions there.
Morning,
that’s a serious mansion… whether it still fits today is something everyone has to decide for themselves…
Regarding the costs: that is €5,800 per sqm, which also seems very, very expensive to me with basement and upscale fittings. There are also huge terraces included, which cannot cost more than €500/sqm regardless of the surface. So the actual house is calculated at over €6,000/sqm. The €1.25 million will probably really be tight, I would estimate around €1.5–1.7 million.
Regarding the layout:
[*]Where do I find the option for grandma? I see no realistic possibility to sensibly separate the guest area. Apart from the fact that with your possibilities I would rather plan an 80 sqm bungalow in the garden for that…
[*]The staircase is a complete no-go, the layout destroys the symmetry and sight lines in your entrance hall. That ruins all Feng Shui… It must necessarily connect on the right and left sides to walls, otherwise it looks totally cramped.
Thank you for your contribution. Exactly the point about the €/sqm price is also why I don’t understand the world. The architect started with €3,500/sqm for the house including basement and never mentioned new costs since. And now we stand here with a totally overrun budget. We don’t want the basement to be finished very livably and the terraces are huge, which shouldn’t weigh much on the costs. Therefore, your estimate of €1.5 to 1.7 million would have been my previous hope as well. But the other opinions here clearly say that I cannot reach this cost frame.
Grandma would go into the guest room on the ground floor. We don’t want the house split into two separate residential units – whoever lives in the house should be fully integrated in the house.
I take the comment on the staircase as an impulse.
I also looked for the option for grandma but only found many oversized placeholder rooms in the basement. Or is the bedroom with bathroom for grandma on the left side of the plan?
I would plan the center of the house, i.e. the entrance area, more homely. Ultimately, you want to live in the rooms and not take athletic routes every day.
Halve the dressing room upstairs and rethink dormers including children’s rooms in the attic.
And if living space is to arise in the basement anyway, consider a nice light well on the side that makes good use of the basement living space. That could cut 30–40 sqm per floor.
And even with the mentioned cuts, it will certainly be a great impressive house.
Very nice impulses that I will also consider in a new plan. Thanks!
Check out this house… the price of course no longer fits, nor does the floor area… still quite impressive.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/feedback-zu-unserer-grundrissidee-kleines-baufenster.11004/page-20#post-592720
I will read through the thread once. Sounds good at first glance and I should contact him to ask who he built with. It’s also Hamburg area.
Wow,
Really? You have more experience in this league, so I take your assessment seriously. But that is €8,000–8,500 per sqm? Then the walls must be covered with gold leaf!?
Best regards,
Andreas
… was exactly my reaction as well. I actually guessed programmable screen wallpapers or something like that. :D
Hmm… if the entrance hall is a hall, i.e. no longer a foyer, I personally don’t find it nice. It is bigger than a standard living room in a comfort apartment. It also has to be constantly frequented to go upstairs or to the toilet. Impressive, however, is the air space above – if a mega cool lamp dangles down there, it really makes an impression. But you probably have to consider, even if you have the money, whether you want to distance yourself so much in "size" from average prosperity or whether you would just stop pushing the boundaries in this "size thing."
Everything saturates and becomes fatty: what use is a bouillabaisse if it has so much fine fish that you have no liquid in the soup anymore?
I do not want to proselytize here, but since the house is anyway not affordable and buildable like that, one might think about the fact that even half a hall, i.e. a generous foyer, can be much more valuable for the house than such a castle thing.
I would probably rather keep the built-in furniture that furnishings the house or an expensive staircase and save on complicated size.
I agree with you there too. Especially the entrance area is too big. The air space and a nice lighting scenario would certainly have been nice, but that can neither be implemented cost-wise nor sensibly.
Unfortunately, I also think the new price is more realistic than your stated budget. And I also believe that the new stated price won’t be the final price for this object.
That is really annoying, because you have actually precisely defined your ideas. With our architect it also got more expensive from appointment to appointment. When the pain threshold is reached, you have to pull the ripcord. Saving on fixtures or moving outer walls inward and shrinking rooms does not help and ruins the whole design. Better to start everything new.
Thanks for your contribution. As I read it, it was worth it for you to reset completely and start from scratch?
Why doesn’t the OP say something?!
The basement weighs almost as much as the living area itself.
By the way, I notice “small things” in the design: bathroom above the living room extension, chimney for the fireplace on the eaves and not the ridge, then the living room unpleasantly separates the view into the garden. You are basically sealed off on the breakfast terrace. The way to the outdoor kitchen is very long and leads through the living room, which you generally want to avoid. Prefer terrace from the fridge and kitchen as close as possible, in a pinch with dining room in between.
Where this could go: guest bathroom on the ground floor as family WC, shorten the hall, straight or elegant two-turn staircase… where the staircase is, the living room. Upstairs it also changes. Advantage: staircase/walking route more present, terrace from the dining area, no separation of the sightline through the garden annex.
However, you only save plus or minus 150 sqm, then you’d be at €1.8 million.
Good impulses from you, thanks! I will ponder the impulses and also take them with me for a new plan.
