Lumpi_LE
2020-11-10 12:21:29
- #1
But that would be the next very extreme deficiency :eek:then you have 3 cm more again
Slanted window interior and too low room height?
- Erstellt am 2020-11-10 07:39:45
user281
2020-11-10 12:33:06
- #2
Thank you for the answers!
Regarding 1/2)
The parapet (I hope I am describing it correctly), by which I mean the kitchen interior wall up to the "window inner sill," is actually not horizontal; when you place a spirit level on it, this is also indicated. This is because one side of the window (left) measured from the sill starts at 3.5cm and the other window side (right) starts only at 4cm height. Standard countertops are 4cm. This means that the countertop now theoretically has to be adjusted. In every other window on the ground floor in the other rooms, the height on both sides is about 4 to 4.2cm. Only at this one kitchen window, which is crucial.
Even if not every perspective is clearly recognizable on the photo for a definite assessment: the indication of the spirit level is visible on site as in the photo, but only at this window.
Regarding 3)
However, the "clear room height" presumably applies at the time of the final acceptance/house handover and not only after 3 years, right? Otherwise, any construction company could say, even with a room height of 2.39m, that the screed will still change and therefore no defect exists.
I understand that the construction company can no longer change the room heights. I am only wondering what this means in the end, e.g. whether a defect exists and whether I can possibly withhold a portion of the last construction payment because the room height of 2.50m shown in the floor plan was not built.
The same applies ultimately also to the window if a defect exists. And the defect could in my opinion only exist if a corresponding "tilt" is to be assumed as a defect.
Regarding 1/2)
The parapet (I hope I am describing it correctly), by which I mean the kitchen interior wall up to the "window inner sill," is actually not horizontal; when you place a spirit level on it, this is also indicated. This is because one side of the window (left) measured from the sill starts at 3.5cm and the other window side (right) starts only at 4cm height. Standard countertops are 4cm. This means that the countertop now theoretically has to be adjusted. In every other window on the ground floor in the other rooms, the height on both sides is about 4 to 4.2cm. Only at this one kitchen window, which is crucial.
Even if not every perspective is clearly recognizable on the photo for a definite assessment: the indication of the spirit level is visible on site as in the photo, but only at this window.
Regarding 3)
However, the "clear room height" presumably applies at the time of the final acceptance/house handover and not only after 3 years, right? Otherwise, any construction company could say, even with a room height of 2.39m, that the screed will still change and therefore no defect exists.
I understand that the construction company can no longer change the room heights. I am only wondering what this means in the end, e.g. whether a defect exists and whether I can possibly withhold a portion of the last construction payment because the room height of 2.50m shown in the floor plan was not built.
The same applies ultimately also to the window if a defect exists. And the defect could in my opinion only exist if a corresponding "tilt" is to be assumed as a defect.
ypg
2020-11-10 17:07:33
- #3
The parapet (I hope I am describing it correctly), by which I mean the kitchen inner wall up to the "window inner shelf," is practically not horizontal; when you place a spirit level on it, it also indicates this.
You are talking about an unfinished window niche. Again: this will be evened out...
This means that the countertop theoretically now needs to be adjusted.
... this adjustment is compensated by the adhesive, silicone, or something similar. This is a normal procedure.
With every other window on the ground floor in the other rooms, the height on both sides is about 4 to 4.2 cm.
That may be, but it doesn't matter.
user281
2020-11-11 06:24:24
- #4
Ok, thanks again for all your answers; I appreciate that!
Windows:
That means the kitchen installer has to take care of it and not the house construction company that has to make this "adjustment"? Does anyone happen to know where guidelines about the construction of the window niche might be? Presumably, a house construction company would not build 1cm on one side and 5cm under the window frame on the other side and then say that this will be compensated by the kitchen installer.
Addendum on room height:
According to my research, DIN 18202 ("Tolerances in building construction") might be relevant, where deviations in plans and elevations regarding story heights, etc. are listed.
It states that the following maximum deviations apply:
In plans: 1-3m height: max. 12mm
In elevations: 1-3m height: max. 16mm
Now, from the screed floor to the raw ceiling, it is already "only" 2.47cm, with tiles then approx. 2.45cm. In the floor plan, which was also an integral part of the building permit and the construction progress folder (building authority), where the architect also signed, the "clear room height: 2.50m" is given for the ground floor.
For me as a layman, this means that from the 2.50m, 12mm or 16mm tolerance is possible. Even if measured from the screed, this value was far undershot. Am I seeing that correctly or do I have a flaw in my reasoning?
Windows:
That means the kitchen installer has to take care of it and not the house construction company that has to make this "adjustment"? Does anyone happen to know where guidelines about the construction of the window niche might be? Presumably, a house construction company would not build 1cm on one side and 5cm under the window frame on the other side and then say that this will be compensated by the kitchen installer.
Addendum on room height:
According to my research, DIN 18202 ("Tolerances in building construction") might be relevant, where deviations in plans and elevations regarding story heights, etc. are listed.
It states that the following maximum deviations apply:
In plans: 1-3m height: max. 12mm
In elevations: 1-3m height: max. 16mm
Now, from the screed floor to the raw ceiling, it is already "only" 2.47cm, with tiles then approx. 2.45cm. In the floor plan, which was also an integral part of the building permit and the construction progress folder (building authority), where the architect also signed, the "clear room height: 2.50m" is given for the ground floor.
For me as a layman, this means that from the 2.50m, 12mm or 16mm tolerance is possible. Even if measured from the screed, this value was far undershot. Am I seeing that correctly or do I have a flaw in my reasoning?
Lumpi_LE
2020-11-11 07:19:09
- #5
I already wrote in the 2nd post that this is the case. If you ask questions here, you should also try to read the answers.For me as a layman, this means that 12mm or 16mm tolerance is possible from the 2.50m. Even if you measured from the screed, this value would be far undershot. Am I seeing this correctly or do I have a flaw in my reasoning?
sascha-t4-le
2020-11-11 08:11:51
- #6
Maybe you first need to understand how a windowsill is installed. The window must definitely be installed level. Mortar is applied to the wall, the windowsill is placed on top, and pushed 1-2 cm under the window frame. The joint between the window frame and the windowsill is 0mm. You’ll notice, if the wall was a bit crooked, it is now evened out by installing the windowsill. I think it would be similar with a countertop.
Regarding ceiling height: I don’t want to incite you to anger, but I don’t share the opinion of most people here. A 5 cm lower clear height would be a huge defect for me. How the courts see it, I can’t say, as I have no experience with that. Ceiling height gives the room a certain size, in the truest sense of the word.
Regarding ceiling height: I don’t want to incite you to anger, but I don’t share the opinion of most people here. A 5 cm lower clear height would be a huge defect for me. How the courts see it, I can’t say, as I have no experience with that. Ceiling height gives the room a certain size, in the truest sense of the word.