Separate awarding of windows and shutters - GU resists!

  • Erstellt am 2022-12-16 00:02:30

WilderSueden

2022-12-16 09:20:09
  • #1
42.5

Here, for example, at the kitchen window. Unfortunately, I only have a good picture of the outside from above. But it is like this everywhere, also with the floor-to-ceiling windows



 

Tolentino

2022-12-16 09:21:22
  • #2
Ok, at 42.5 you have 6cm more after all. Still amazes me that you even have a visible reveal on the inside...
 

Torti2022neu

2022-12-16 10:02:50
  • #3
How is the construction being done? Monolithic, with ETICS, timber frame construction, clinker? This partly determines how the window installation proceeds and also when the windows are ordered. Under normal delivery times, windows for cavity walls were only ordered after the clinker was installed.

The profile manufacturers don't matter - both are good. Whether the profiles are comparable is another question - and one that cannot be assessed here (e.g., AD or MD, profile thickness, chambers). Then there is the question of whether the resistance classes are comparable. Only after that can you decide whether it makes sense to remove the windows from the general contractor contract - in addition to the issues of a) timeline b) warranty c) fitting accuracy and d) window availability.

Last year, I also waited for windows for half a year, most recently it was only six weeks despite a special color.

Regarding your question: "Our general contractor will not create a specification for the windows despite multiple requests and also does not want to give us the exact measurements. Reason: the general contractor would send the building application plans to the tradesmen (window manufacturer) and they would then make an offer. All openings are dimensioned in the building application plans. They would not change their working method just for this." You have to deal with it. Do it this way or not at all. And then hope the measurements fit – which a reasonable shell builder should be able to manage.
 

11ant

2022-12-16 14:12:24
  • #4

Overall, from your thread history, I get the impression that you want to take the royal road to a Waterloo: building with a general contractor (GU), but upgrading his scope of service description from Jetta to Phaeton – already individually nearly half a catastrophe guaranteed! – and then also optionally replacing individual suppliers and tradespeople – that completely pulls the reinforced double bottom out from under the barrel. Only someone who wants to prove that anyone can be the smith of their own misfortune if they just consider themselves a clever buyer would do that. Furthermore, you apparently overlooked that it is said a thousand times here that "cheap" general contractors make a killing on extras.

14/14 instead of 9/14 roller shutters presumably means in full sentences that, out of 14 elements, now all are equipped with roller shutters instead of five of them not (?); and in , you already did yourself almost a disservice by changing the three-part mullion element to lift-and-slide (which should also be aluminum). I consider Salamander or Rehau more or less the same; if you want colored PVC, I have already said several times here that the best choice would be Gealan (because of the co-extrusion).


Exactly. As is well known, I was a window manufacturer (and later a dealer), and except for listed buildings, I have never seen detailed drawings for windows—not even for administrative lawyers or senior teachers. As already says, windows are ordered according to measured dimensions (and only secondarily based on drawings with guaranteed tolerances). And just as the right person is saying right here: you can already recognize the mental clumsy motors by their "attitude" towards overlap measurements on the first three rows of bricks. So theoretically, you could early on indicate whether the window installer might have to reschedule or bring along a Hilti.

Moreover, I don’t understand your entire problem: exchanging electrified roller shutter drives for manual ones is a breeze. Wanting to remove the entire "roller shutter trade" for this is borderline between foolishness and administrative incompetence!

My advice is therefore: keep the scope of the offer here "original GU" and only consider whether the windows are better (from the GU!) to be taken from Gealan or "worst case" remain white. The few cables for retrofitting the electrification cannot possibly cost the world. The control (actuators and sensors!) is done in the PLC (which the GU has nothing to do with).
 

i_b_n_a_n

2022-12-16 21:05:14
  • #5
In his indescribable way, wanted to make clear to you: Definitely don’t do that. It will end in a catastrophe including financial disaster! PERIOD

Especially with openings like windows and doors, numerous trades need to be involved to coordinate interfaces. Bricklayers or carpenters, plaster, clinker, window sills, BD test or airtightness in general, installation position top bottom side and also in depth. Scaffolding when where how long, crane for windows on the upper floor or attic?

We built with individual contracts and at the same time acted as building experts and site managers (phew, lucky how it went), that’s why I know this. We were also lucky to have BSH exterior walls with ±10mm tolerance, so ordering the windows beforehand was possible. Coordinating the above points, however, is definitely a professional and time-related challenge never to be managed by laypeople. And for your general contractor it is legal and wise not to get involved in this.
 

guckuck2

2022-12-16 22:34:56
  • #6
I must add that it is precisely this year that it has become fashionable to order windows according to the plan and not by measurement, because windows had (have?) delivery times in the range of 9-12 weeks. Kompriband and foam take care of ...
 

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