Photovoltaic system that covers its monthly costs by itself and amortizes

  • Erstellt am 2019-11-19 07:35:09

Lumpi_LE

2019-11-19 12:12:18
  • #1
I exported the daily values (production, consumption, self-consumption, feed-in) via SE. This results in a pretty long Excel list. Here, I then (simplified) ran a query over it: "How much Bezug could I have covered with a storage capacity of 6 kWh on day x (1...365) instead of feed-in." It is generally taken into account beforehand that the available capacity is about 90% and the charging/storage losses in relation to the feed-in (!) are about 20% (realistic according to various storage studies; with charging forecasts and other improvement methods you might get to 10%, but that is very optimistic). But even if it were 0, that would only insignificantly affect the calculation.

Well, simplified it looks like this, for example:
Very good day: 07/27: 54 kWh yield; 47.2 kWh feed-in; 12.2 kWh consumption; 6.8 kWh direct consumption; 4.8 kWh possible battery consumption
Unfavorable day: 10/05: 3.5 kWh yield; 0.6 kWh feed-in; 15.4 kWh consumption; 2.9 kWh direct consumption; 0.2 kWh possible battery consumption
Adding up, what I can store in the year comes out to, in my case, 1000 kWh. On most days, that's around 1.5–3 kWh. The 200 that I subtract are the losses from charging storage, grid consumption, etc.

Not taken into account, which makes it even less favorable for the battery:
- Storage charging also takes place during morning and around midday forecasts, but there are many days where the sun shines more in the afternoon or direct consumption mainly happens in the morning
- The battery inevitably draws power from the grid if it’s not bright blue sky all day

But that’s also why the 80% losses... roughly cover that.
 

lesmue79

2019-11-19 12:13:28
  • #2
I also did a price comparison today, a total of 8 offers, of which 6 are local providers and 2 from the Internet. Converted to 9.99 kWP, the net price ranges from €1,120/kWP to €1,462/kWP, all without storage, including installation.
 

Bookstar

2019-11-19 12:25:30
  • #3
I don't understand why the Greens don't come up with a sensible proposal, such as promoting photovoltaics in new buildings. These left-wing populists only ever think of bans and rip-off measures. There seems to be no interest in solid support and meaningful actions.
 

Tego12

2019-11-19 12:25:41
  • #4


Inverters have a shorter lifespan; you should roughly expect to have to replace one within 20 years. This is usually factored into the economic calculations. The modules themselves... they have a significantly longer durability... there are now enough experience values for that. >90% after 20 years is still achieved by almost all solid modules, meaning replacement after 20 years would be economically rather pointless (assuming there is no feed-in tariff anymore). The modules will certainly continue to live for several more years (or decades).
 

Zaba12

2019-11-19 12:30:46
  • #5
Thanks, I got it. 8k€ for a 6kW storage is of course hefty! That naturally ruins any calculation together with the other points.

I googled again for a specialist article (bought or not ) . The system performance of the BYD storage is said to be 89.2% after all losses. That would theoretically leave me with 5.71 kWh usable per day (so on the good days).
 

Lumpi_LE

2019-11-19 13:31:26
  • #6
Yeah, and you first have to have the days, just counted, I could have drawn more than 4 kWh from a battery on 18 days... For me, a 3 kWh battery would probably be enough too, but the cost is hardly any less, so it’s even less worthwhile. A DIY solution would be something, there are instructions for a 2 kWh battery for 2000€, but even that just isn’t worth it.
 

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