Our first floor plan attempt. Do you have any tips?

So, if the house is not allowed to get any bigger, then you have to organize the requirements differently.

And, just because you are currently limiting yourself with something, you should still try to do it differently in a complete new build.

Which program are you using now?

Is a knee wall height of 160 cm the maximum?

And why did the basement drop out of your planning? It would solve quite a few problems.

One more hint .. 2 of your children’s rooms are planned facing north. It might be better to plan them all facing south / west.

A scan of the site plan with measurements of the plot (covering address etc.) would not be bad.

Have you already been to an architect?

Hello kbt09, sorry I forgot to mention that I used Roomsketcher, but I'm currently trying it in a program that shows the measurements. Of course, bigger would always be better, but the question is also what is important to me and a wardrobe is not important to me, for example (or a bigger one). Knee wall height of 160 is the maximum budget-wise. The basement was ruled out for 2 reasons. a) Budget and b) neighbors. We asked the municipality and the neighbors and unfortunately the groundwater level is so high that with even little rain all neighbors (white tank, black tank, doesn't matter) have water in the basement and nowadays don't keep anything in the basement at all. Really nothing anymore, I don't think it's worth the money. Only one children's room is in the north, the other one does have a west side. I would gladly do it the other way around, I initially had it like that too but then nothing fit anymore. As I said at the beginning, we haven't been to an architect yet. Hopefully (or certainly - it's his job ) he will have better ideas. This is just an idea from us. Best regards, Anya.

Would fully two stories be allowed? The price difference between 160 and 220 knee wall height shouldn’t be that much though. What roof pitch regulations are there?

Because, at a knee wall height of 160, for example, the two closets in your drawn dressing room are only half properly tall, the other half is limited by the sloping roof.

How old are the children currently? Coat area unimportant... hmm, with 5 people, all of whom sometimes have visitors, I do have concerns about that.

Here is the instruction for dimensioning with Roomsketcher: und weg ist der Link .. I hope the link is okay.

Oh dear, there is still a lot, lot to improve here.

Do you think you’ll still like the staircase in the living area in 10 years? When you’re sitting on the couch in your pajamas and your children bring their partners home? Have you ever lived in a house with a staircase in the living area? Nice, yes. But that’s about it. Every noise travels upstairs to the children's rooms. Privacy is no longer to be found.

The bedroom is a joke. Ours isn’t big either, but at least we can properly walk around the bed, even if for some reason we’re not very mobile and have crutches or need help. It’s also great when someone is sleeping and another person shuffles from the bathroom to the dressing room and back again. Always around the bed. And try mentally handling a laundry basket in your bedroom.
The hallway upstairs is dark and narrow – okay, narrow is unavoidable with a house this size with 5 people.
The staircase from the bedroom: one wrong step and you’re downstairs faster than you like.
Maybe consider a redesign here: put the bedroom where the bathroom is, the dressing room where the bedroom is now, and the bathroom where the dressing room is. Personally, I would completely do without the dressing room and instead have a larger bedroom with a closet, you get more out of that. We have 200 m2 with 3 kids and unfortunately also had to do without the desired dressing room. And we also don’t have ballrooms as rooms.
The dining nook: now imagine sitting at the dining table with guests. 3 kids are jumping around and constantly want the terrace door open and closed. So someone always has to get up from the chair to open and close the door.
Storage for Barbie and Lego? Huh? For us, that’s in the children’s rooms. You would need much more space for washing machine, dryer, toilet paper, cleaning supplies, and so on.

Sorry if I can’t say anything positive about the floor plan, but one mistake really follows another. Please leave the planning to an architect who knows what they’re doing.

Sorry for the short reply earlier. Only when information is given that cannot work, and I apply the measurements to other rooms and things, and find that somehow nothing can work there, was the only sensible answer:

an 8.50 x 10.30 meter house is not a space miracle.

Even with the following measurements

Correct are measurements of 2.25 m2 x 1.91 whereby we then have a 71cm passage. Forgive me the 4cm

you don’t get a room out of that: Cabinets stand about 5 to 10 cm away from the wall. You and your husband have just 50/60 cm left to move around... or so

And this problem runs through every room, e.g. also in the utility room.
I like to repeat myself: The table has space, but the operation of the chairs around it does not.
You have to roughly plan 20cm more everywhere, because door frames take up space on the left and right and on the wall, doors want to be opened (door handle), light switches and sockets also take up space in the area. Also - I don’t know how ProHaus builds - sketch measurements from these room planners are always plus/minus values, so it may be that a few cm are missing later. Then if plaster is applied, a few more cm. That would be fatal for you since you will take all furniture with you.
It will be so that the architect/draftsman blindly implements your ideas and then you will be very surprised because nothing fits anymore.

You have a room program for 5 people, I don’t know how many sqm you have in this house... would you like to tell us?
A room program for 5 people might still fit in these dimensions of 8.3 x 10.5, but not a dressing room, separate office, third bathroom, pantry and storage room in addition to the technical room.

Now you are not allowed to be bigger and money (e.g. for a basement) is also not available!
Then there is only one possibility: delete rooms!

Upper floor: parents’ shower bathroom without space-consuming corner tub to 5sqm, children’s bathroom with tub and shower goes to 6 sqm, normally walkable bedroom with generous closet in the slope.
Ground floor: staircase with less space requirement in the hall and storage underneath, pantry is deleted, freezer has to serve for utility room, pantry and everything else.
With skill you can still get your bathroom a bit bigger, washing machine and dryer in two additional sqm in the children’s bathroom and the master of the house his PC room.

Current staircase situation: takes away all your peace on the sofa, sofa arrangement takes away an estimated area of 12 sqm, namely between sofa and kitchen.
Staircase also takes away room potential.
I find the kitchen totally okay, the measurements also seem to be correct.

Three toilets for 5 people I find borderline few. I think of stomach flu viruses and only 2 toilets - help!

Borderline opinion - in social housing (some irony must be allowed) 3-4 people have one toilet (in numbers: 1!). Well... for that you should have space.

That would be it from my side for now - I have looked around at ProHaus to get measurements, but don’t they have at least a variant with 3 children’s rooms upstairs?
Otherwise find suggestions on other sites.

Regards Yvonne