Ongoing costs of a passive house?

  • Erstellt am 2014-03-21 00:01:49

waldorf

2014-03-21 21:13:56
  • #1
I'll play the devil's advocate: The basement is fundamentally important. Of course, it's more than 70% a storage room and at most 30% occupied by the washing machine, dryer, heating system, and technology. But all that stuff has to go somewhere after all. I don't want to have all that junk in the apartment, nor do I want to plaster every room with cabinets just so winter clothes, motorcycle gear, the woman's 174 pairs of shoes, and everything else you have can be stored. Where else should the tools, the drying rack, the chest freezer, the crates of drinks go? And you can't seriously dispose of the sacred relics of your existence: the C64, the boombox, and the Grundig stereo system bought with confirmation money, just to name a few examples.
In most cases, this leads to those wonderful constructions made of sheds, huts, and shacks that "enhance" the garden. Sometimes you shouldn't weigh everything solely by cost and effective utility.
 

crion

2014-03-22 00:00:59
  • #2
Hello Wastl!



Thanks for the breakdown of the costs. I just checked, the multiplier for property tax B here actually seems to be 590%. However, the determination of the, in my opinion, odd standard value goes too far for me. I fear that the property tax - which apparently is also calculated based on the value of the properties on a plot? - will be quite high here with this multiplier and will probably even exceed €500 per year. The targeted plot size is currently 400 - 600 sqm.

Best regards,
Chriss
 

crion

2014-03-22 00:13:38
  • #3
Hello Der Da!



Thanks, great, that makes me happy, I’ve now roughly planned for a PH with that.



Oh dear... but yes, ultimately we are probably facing a similar question, whether in a village we want (or have to) spend about half for the land, but then also have to accept the travel costs and travel time.



Honestly, I’d be satisfied with 50 or 55 as well.



Why does having a basement reduce the living area by 30 sqm? I could understand a maximum of 10 sqm for the stairway down...

Best regards, Chriss
 

crion

2014-03-22 00:25:36
  • #4
Hello Building Expert!



Thanks for the information that a PH only makes sense if a person is in the house during the day. That will probably not be the case for us in the future.
The reasons for our consideration of KfW 40 or PH are that we are not only thinking about the current situation but (naively?) hope to still be living in the house in 40 or 50 years. We do not want energy costs to eat us up then.



It should be KfW 55, yes. However, I am not currently sure who the red competitor is.
We were at a local builder planner yesterday who left a very good impression on us and also spoke about gas condensing boilers in connection with ventilation.



Yes, the basement is a tricky thing... it should not become living space, but... we cannot simply add another “crawl space floor” on top, especially here in Gö, where usually not even the construction of two upper floors is allowed.
But maybe the attic should be roughly converted and then used as a storage room, if it will not be a flat roof/hipped roof or similar. It is indeed true that 40k€ is quite expensive just for a crawl space storage – thanks for the advice!

Best regards,
Christian
 

crion

2014-03-22 00:28:56
  • #5
Hello waldorf!



Thanks for your support regarding basements.
I think it will ultimately just depend on the overall costs. It should definitely be KfW 55, and if it is still affordable with a basement, then better with a basement – if only because the utility room then also moves to the basement.
The other stuff of course as well, no question... and I definitely don’t want to clutter the presumably much too small garden with weird structures.

Best regards,
Christian
 

emer

2014-03-22 10:37:59
  • #6


The sqm of the sealed surface also contributes to the property tax.

We also have an assessment rate of 560% and currently pay 160€ p.a. for an undeveloped meadow in the building area.
 

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