Omit the single room rule? Controlled residential ventilation + gas heating, new construction

  • Erstellt am 2019-03-15 08:16:00

Elina

2019-03-15 16:20:51
  • #1
I also found the ERR pointless and we omitted it despite it being mandatory. All those extra valves that consume power unnecessarily and provide no benefit because the system is so sluggish, no thanks. When everything is finished, we simply leave all the shut-off valves completely open and then regulate at the stove (water-bearing pellet boiler for the living room, so to speak). Since we have to load the pellet bags by hand anyway, a certain amount of regulation already takes place this way. Furthermore, we have a buffer tank. And on each floor, there is a wood stove in case you really need additional heat. (Gas heating was not possible due to lack of pipe and because of kfw, "proper heating boiler" was not possible due to missing basement/heating room. So the stove in the living area remained).
 

boxandroof

2019-03-15 16:54:00
  • #2


Not much gets mixed up there, but yes, the other rooms will then become slightly cooler. Therefore, you have to perform the balancing yourself in the end until everything fits. If the bathroom does not get warm enough despite high flow, then the supply temperature must be increased and at the same time you have to throttle all other circuits so that they do not get too warm. Therefore, it is important to plan the underfloor heating according to your desired temperature per room, especially for the bathroom. The issue becomes problematic especially with heat pumps where this regularly is a problem.



As a permanent setting, yes. Otherwise, there are holiday functions, setpoint shifts via timer, etc., per heating system.



No – that happens automatically via the heating curve. Goal: constant temperature in the house, which also makes balancing easier. Only with heat pumps using air as a source or photovoltaics do additional interventions make sense.
 

Mycraft

2019-03-15 16:54:27
  • #3
The hydraulic balancing must be done by the installer of the system or by someone commissioned to do it. However, what has been ordered applies here, and a rough adjustment is sufficient to be considered flawless. In other words, the warmest room (bathroom) must reach 24 degrees.

A hydraulic balancing so that every room reaches the more or less exact desired temperatures is not trivial, and for this reason, there are the ERR. This way, the heating can always be run a bit higher and, in the case of impending overheating, simply throttled with the thermostat.



With a low-temperature underfloor heating system, you have to think exactly the opposite of a usual radiator heating system, and this is where many already fail at the first step (probably also those who even imposed the ERR obligation on us). A night setback makes little sense and, if at all, then just the other way around. In other words, you have to heat at night and lower during the day. Because you need the warmth in the morning and evening. More or less like you described, but even then the savings are in the permille range.

An outdoor temperature-controlled regulation with (yes, one) thermostat in the south and a precisely done hydraulic balancing are sufficient to run the system efficiently. The controlled residential ventilation then does its work and mixes the temperatures. A 2-3 degree difference is possible. More is rather wishful thinking.
 

Musketier

2019-03-15 20:16:33
  • #4


Why in the south? That completely distorts things when the sun is beating down on it.
With us, the sensor is in the north.
 

KingSong

2019-03-15 20:27:18
  • #5


Yeah, I don’t quite understand that now either, the outside temperature sensor is supposed to reflect the actual outside temperature, protected as much as possible from wind and sun.....
 

wurmwichtel

2019-03-15 20:31:00
  • #6
The boxes of the ERR can also be wallpapered over and the electrician can be commissioned to combine the control loops on a circuit breaker (fuse).

With us, all thermostats are completely open because otherwise the heating cycles too often (now at zero degrees outside temperature it runs twice for four hours a day instead of every two to three hours for less than 60 minutes because an ERR was opened and the return temperature was lowered too much as a result).

BTW:
The payback period of a controlled residential ventilation system is about 60 to 100 years.
 

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