Kfw55 choice of heating Gas vs Air-Water Heat Pump

  • Erstellt am 2021-05-21 18:29:58

T_im_Norden

2021-05-22 09:39:39
  • #1
They only look similar if you include the subsidy or install a Geisha yourself.

You don’t need a chimney; an LAS is sufficient.
 

Bookstar

2021-05-22 10:03:59
  • #2
I have already calculated it here, the annual costs are at least one third cheaper with gas. And that is calculated with a very well adjusted heat pump, not with mine :D.
 

Gerddieter

2021-05-22 10:23:52
  • #3
Hi can you post the link to the calculation? GD
 

guckuck2

2021-05-22 10:30:04
  • #4
Sure, calculations by bookstar are always entertaining
 

Mycraft

2021-05-22 10:46:46
  • #5

Of course, you can put a positive spin on it. But that doesn’t change what has already been described and reported many times here and elsewhere. A gas boiler with everything included. That means the device, storage tank, LAS (not to be confused with a "real chimney"), installation, connection, adjustment, etc., really everything. Except for the gas connection (which varies from community to community), it amounts to about 1/3 of the investment cost of a complete air-to-water heat pump system. And even including the gas connection (if it's available in the street and doesn’t have to be extended 50-100m over open land) and the token solar system, you end up in the range of 1/2 to 2/3.

Of course, if you don’t want/can’t do the work yourself, then different numbers are possible.

The tough part comes later... quite often with the heat pump you have to intervene yourself because standard settings or much too high heating curves are often used, and the builder then has to fiddle with the system in the first and even the second heating season. So it doesn’t end up heating the hair off one’s head.

There are plenty of experiences and reports about this, not only in this forum.

The CO2 tax also changes little to nothing so far (including all stages already decided). A modern system emits around 1.5-2 tons of CO2 per year, which in 2021 corresponds to an additional burden of 50 euros per year and in 2025 about 110 euros more. Granted, it still takes about 10 years of gas consumption to roughly break even compared to the initial investment for an air-to-water heat pump (without subsidies).

Don't get me wrong. Heat pumps are a great thing. Besides three of my gas boilers, I also operate 4 heat pumps (and two more await installation), but a lot has to come together with a heat pump for the calculation to work out.
 

Bookstar

2021-05-22 11:12:53
  • #6

Yes, and especially because they are realistic and not as sugar-coated as those from the heat pump lobby or some nerds.

I'll look it up later.
 

Similar topics
21.10.2015KfW funding after 01.04.201611
22.12.2015KFW 70 funding still in 201524
17.12.2015Kfw funding 2016 - How to set up construction financing?10
13.01.2016Residential Riester: Using tax advantages without further subsidies?12
10.05.2016KfW funding for two-family house26
07.10.2016BAFA funding tips38
29.06.2016Promotion of soundproof windows11
30.09.2018BAFA funding for air-water heat pumps in new construction - how does it work?30
10.12.2017Second residential unit in the house due to KfW funding 15313
01.05.2021Photovoltaic system battery storage subsidy feed-in tariff?44
05.01.2020Gas vs. Air-Water Heat Pump34
03.06.2020KfW 55 + BAFA Funding - Costs and Subsidies24
14.02.2024Bafa funding for heat pumps will be discontinued as of 31.12.2020.508
20.04.2021BAFA funding depends on the form "Confirmation of the Developer"20
14.05.2023How did you install your heat pumps?15
08.02.2022How complicated are heat pumps in practical operation?78
14.06.2022KfW BEG funding stopped 261, 262, 263, 264, 461, 463, 4641239
02.08.2022Heat pump not available - funding gone?30
09.04.2023Planned throttling of wallboxes and heat pumps34
30.07.2023Heat pump theft protection - Covered by building insurance?36

Oben