KfW 70 without ventilation system

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Mycraft

2014-04-30 22:58:49
  • #1
I can take a picture of what the pipes of a [Kontrollierte-Wohnraumlüftung] look like inside after 3 years of continuous operation... maybe then the fear of dirty ducts will finally end and a construction expert would say that a [Kontrollierte-Wohnraumlüftung] is not recommended for fresh air fans??? Somehow that’s a contradiction in itself, isn’t it???
 

Arnonühm

2014-05-09 23:30:51
  • #2


About the car:

Only at first glance a good example. Fresh air only comes in there; there is no extraction, so no condensation forms because of the ventilation. The air-conducting ducts tend to smell musty with incorrect use of the air conditioning in summer, namely when the air conditioning runs until the vehicle is switched off.

About power consumption:

Has anyone measured that? How is a fan supposed to generate such a high air exchange rate at only 15W against filters at all valves and in the central unit? Either the filters are very coarse, permanently clean, or the consumption seems a bit optimistic to me.

About dust:

Actually, neither side can complain who vacuums with a normal vacuum cleaner. Consequently, one must then work with a central vacuum system. However, that again is problematic with controlled residential ventilation.

About acoustics:

That cannot be generalized. On the one hand, it depends on sensitivity, and on the other hand, on the arrangement of the valves. Those who are acoustically disturbed by the airflow would probably also be disturbed by the telephony effects of the piping and the large door gaps, i.e., the associated noise transmission.

I am very glad to have an architect whom I know and trust, and who does not push me what puts the most money in his pocket.
In my circle of acquaintances, houses planned by the architect mostly have no controlled residential ventilation; the houses planned by the general contractor are exclusively equipped with controlled residential ventilation... one might think badly of that.
If you then ask why controlled residential ventilation was installed, you get the same arguments like a prayer wheel... and somehow you have the feeling that maybe sometimes one doesn’t want to admit that the 12,000-15,000 euros might not have been so well invested after all.

My favorite is the calculation that with an exhaust air temperature of 20° and supply air warmed up to 18° by the heat exchanger, a heat recovery rate of 90% is achieved... pure cooking of the books at its finest.
 

perlenmann

2014-05-10 08:58:06
  • #3
My favorite is: listening to the argument of non-controlled residential ventilation owners about why they do not want controlled residential ventilation.
 

BauProjekt14

2014-05-10 09:21:55
  • #4
Why should a ventilation system put money in the architect's pocket? There are also decentralized solutions. These do not cost as much and simply have different advantages and disadvantages compared to a central controlled residential ventilation system.
 

Arnonühm

2014-05-10 10:25:47
  • #5
If he bills according to HOAI, the opportunity arises twice. He can take the "complexity of the system" and the additional effort for the tenders into account in the fee rate. In plain language, he fully exploits the fee group. Furthermore, the billable costs of the project increase, which also fills the cash register.
 

€uro

2014-05-10 11:12:33
  • #6
He officially has no other option with free planning - or does he? Correct, "can" and is often used. Whether this is actually the case in the specific individual case is unclear. Incidentally, this also applies to the heating system and hot water preparation! The assumption that prospective builders are only naive and get tricked in GU/GÜ projects can often be transferred to free planning as well. Just take a look at the detailed formulation of the architect contract!

Best regards
 

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