Is wood parquet recommended on the ground floor and also in the kitchen?

I have not equated industrial parquet with the intended use "industry." I merely adopted your wording.

I do not find the appearance high-quality. High-quality are large boards with a homogeneous pattern. Anyone visiting a parquet store will confirm this, because such appearances cost the most money, aside from the type of wood used. That should also be understandable, a busy appearance is always cheaper.
With vertical lamella, the issue is eliminated, so the price is probably the lowest of all.

So the strips hold together with air and love?
But okay, I didn’t assume hand-laid strips, but rather a finished system. That’s how it is usually used in industry (oops).
There, of course, the cheap material is compensated by a lot of manual labor, good for the craftsman if he knows the strips individually by name.

How does it go with your underfloor heating then? But the parquet layer probably laughs at that too, because it’s no problem at all (at least he has no problem as long as he can maintain the myth that solid wood is no problem on underfloor heating).

I asked myself the same question: parquet or tiles? I have now decided on tiles because parquet + underfloor heating is not made to last forever, please don't forget that! Every reasonable expert would confirm this, I even spoke with a carpenter myself; even though people often say "no problem," there are a tremendous number of things to consider. It’s logical, after all, wood and heating, obviously when heating the moisture escapes and humidification doesn’t really help. So I am very skeptical about wood and underfloor heating, even though I also like it.

Wood insulates and that cannot be changed. Some woods more, others less. Click parquet with thin wear layers works, albeit worse than tiles, but it works. With solid wood, however, it's the end. But it doesn't matter to the installer, you can just turn up the heat. Although with solid wood on underfloor heating, someone should really have a light bulb go off. What does the heating engineer say about that, who also designs the flow temperature based on the planned floor covering?


Please always trust your professional more than forums or general information sites on the internet (half of which seem bought to me). Many roads lead to Rome. But the experience of others can help avoid small mistakes or reveal outdated practices.

I still remember the discussion about heating and/or sanitary where I went against the profession, which you did not agree with. The dispute started exactly like it begins here (and like yours with escroda about cutouts just now). But I think I recently read that you are now likewise going against sanitary professionals. That made me smile a bit.

I did not equate industrial parquet with the intended use "industry". I just adopted your wording.

Ok, then I misunderstood. My mistake.

I don’t find the appearance high-quality. High-quality are large boards with a homogeneous pattern.

You see, that’s what I meant by matter of taste. We really can’t do much with planks. For me, quality is not only derived from the appearance, but rather from the feel and the material. And since it’s the same wood...

That should also be understandable, restless appearance always costs less.

Bold statement... [emoji6] So herringbone parquet is cheaper? Or mosaic with tiles? I would rather say that processing effort and material determine the price, not the appearance (which can of course result from certain materials).

With vertical lamellae the issue is resolved, the price should thus be the lowest of all.

What’s your point now? That planks are more expensive than industrial parquet? True, and? Plank parquet is also cheaper than Italian marble. Does that make plank parquet inferior?! What exactly are you getting at?

So the bars hold together with air and love?

And how would that be different with planks? But if you are assuming floating installation, okay. Then we don’t need to talk about quality any longer... because high-quality plank flooring is usually glued down anyway due to the size of the planks and the transitions/connections to (terrace) doors and stoves.

But alright, I was not thinking of hand-laid bars, but of a ready-made system. Because that is usually how it is used in industry (oops).

Nope, not necessarily. Our parquet installer has done quite a few commercial spaces here in Nuremberg, for example the HM stores in the pedestrian zone, several hotels. No ready-made system there...

Of course the cheap material is compensated with a lot of manual work, good for the craftsman if he knows each little bar by name.

Ok, when you run out of arguments, you probably react like this...[emoji6]

How does it go with your underfloor heating then? But the parquet installer probably giggles too, because it’s not a problem at all (at least he has none as long as he can maintain the myth that solid wood would be no problem on underfloor heating).

Underfloor heating: Very relaxed, like the 8 years in the apartment with the same floor. And just as relaxed as in the many houses that various architects build here... Solid wood is also not per se a problem, at least in generalization. Sure, with the wood species you should pay attention to the heat-related expansion and contraction behavior and take the material into account when designing the heating system. Pretty normal, you’re acting as if this were a "new" material whose handling would be new and the flooring had never been installed in houses with underfloor heating. But that is certainly not the case. But since you’re already bringing up solid wood problems with underfloor heating, the same question arises about your high-quality plank parquet. So, how is it with your planks and underfloor heating?

I also derive quality from the price of the material, of course. Taste is another matter. Calm, large-format is more expensive. Logical, because the material is rarer. With industrial parquet, it's the other end of the scale. It's not about laying patterns or even tiles at all. I wouldn't put DIY store laminate in a new build either, that's my point. Do you have comparison quotes for laying parquet? If they lay every single piece individually, I can hardly believe that, then I would urgently ask someone else as well. Fire up the U value calculator and see how oak fares, just to take a classic parquet example. Nothing more needs to be said about that. The people who build new here and talk about parquet mean 95% click parquet with a few millimeters of wear layer. That's something completely different regarding underfloor heating compared to solid wood. Are you planning a heat pump? With gas, of course, you can heat well against it. I do not install "your high-quality plank parquet." Nor do I get the argumentation. You fundamentally misunderstand here that I want to convert you or that my solution is better than yours. I couldn't care less about that.

Wood insulates and that cannot be changed. Some woods more, others less. Click parquet with thin wear layers work, even if worse than tiles, but they do work. With solid wood though, it’s over.
But that doesn’t matter to the installer, you can just turn the heating up. Although with solid wood on underfloor heating, someone should really have a light bulb moment. What does the heating engineer say about it, since he also sizes the flow temperature based on the planned flooring?



Please always believe your professional more than forums or info sites online in general (half of which feel bought to me). Many roads lead to Rome.
But the experience of others can help avoid mistakes or uncover outdated practices.

I still remember the discussion about heating and/or plumbing, where I went against the profession, which you did not agree with. The quarrel started exactly like it starts here (and like yours with escroda on the topic of cutouts right now).
But I think I recently read you going against plumbing as well now. That made me grin a bit.

Look Alex, I also have no problem if someone points out things to consider, where maybe you should check again with the tradesman etc. No problem with that.

But what really annoys me is the sometimes know-it-all attitude of some here. Someone asks for opinions on wooden flooring (in the kitchen). People share their own experiences. 8 years of solid wood flooring, vertical lamella, with underfloor heating, no problems in kitchen and living room – or someone asks about the difference between exemption from approval and building permit.
The reflex of some here seems to be that they always have to add their two cents everywhere, know everything better, negate others’ experiences as “unusual” or even portray them as if these people are the biggest idiots who would install and write nonsense unreflectively and uninformed.

For example, your statements about vertical lamella (tons of glue and wood waste) come across as disparaging to some here in the forum regarding their choice, implying they let themselves be installed with inferior stuff and portraying them as uninformed “idiots.” What’s that about? What makes you so sure that these people did not carefully and knowledgeably decide and choose what they want?
Just write about your experiences or considerations on your choice of wooden floor WITHOUT always making others feel they are complete idiots who chose nonsense.
We came from vertical lamella and the look. Now suddenly we are at the heating... my impression: new topics are repeatedly raised here because some maybe don’t want to accept that others have a different opinion on the topic and evaluate things differently.

Same with the topic of building permits. I reported MY experiences to give the OP some guidance. Then comes such a pedantic post that assumes - without having the detailed knowledge about the specific case - to speculate and portray things completely differently because it just can’t be what it isn’t supposed to be. That only helps the OP to a limited extent, hence also my request that the post author explain the differences voluntarily. Then the OP can judge for himself what is important for him or which approach he prefers.

About wood and insulator. Yes, it is. I also wrote that the type and thickness of wood should be considered in heating design. It is. This is not a fundamental problem with solid wood floors, but a matter of handling them. And if someone writes that solid wood and underfloor heating are problematic, that is simply wrong, because with proper use it is not. Solid wood flooring is installed thousands of times with underfloor heating and it’s not like there are only problems. That problems can occur, however, I do not want to exclude.

That you should clarify the use of solid wood floors with the HLB etc. is a correct and important note, which can simply be neutral in the sense of “But with solid wood floors bring the HLB on board so that it fits together.”

What I don’t understand about the argumentation right now is: we came from industrial parquet, there was the statement that it is inferior because solid wood plank is supposedly higher quality. Ok, solid wood plank is probably more expensive alone because of the material. We end at taste, a good point to leave it at. Then comes the glue, which is usually also used with solid wood planks because of the large planks (the bigger, the higher quality). Then the heating topic with the tenor solid wood (whether plank or splints) and underfloor heating causes problems. And suddenly we are at click systems on carrier boards, in a completely different quality and price range and only argue about the suitability for underfloor heating. But we came from parquet flooring and spoke about quality ... and in the same breath talk about click parquet, i.e. a thin wood cut on a carrier board (probably chipboard, i.e. bonded wood chips aka wood waste)? Curious...