How to obtain an exemption from the development plan?

  • Erstellt am 2020-04-11 09:58:52

ypg

2020-04-11 16:44:43
  • #1
If everyone wants to do whatever they like ...

... what do you think if the person on the left side of the plan thinks like you and then builds a three-story building or something very tall, which the development plan is supposed to prevent?

I find it annoying when someone sees themselves as the center of the universe.

To build nicely: make the ground floor a bit bigger and then a 1.20m knee wall in the attic. Then it will be a great cabin
And finally, stop all of you with your "dream" granny flats if you can't even cover your own housing needs. That is in no way an argument to get permission for more living space. The reasonable arguments that probably everyone can understand have already been made.

By the way, this sounds familiar. This has already been discussed here, right?
 

Specki

2020-04-11 17:40:15
  • #2

That’s comparing apples and oranges!
I am talking about a knee wall 50 cm higher. I would reach the same height if I built the house wider, so the neighbor would have to live with it anyway, depending on how I build.
And I wrote that I would get the approval of all neighbors or all owners in the development area. I have already got it verbally from almost all.
What on earth does that have to do with a 3-story building?
Stupid comparison, sorry


Oh yes, I am the absolute center of the world because I find a development plan from almost 50 years ago outdated and therefore want to deviate from it by 50 cm. By the way, both the municipality and the district office have agreed with me that the plan is actually outdated and would no longer look like that today.
Furthermore, I am not trying to enforce anything legally or otherwise against the will of the residents here, but simply ask about possibilities of how a more sensible building can be placed.
Do you notice that your comment is a bit exaggerated?


What do you mean by knee wall? I don’t know the word. I have only found it as a synonym for knee wall. But it may only be 50 cm high...


Nice if you cannot understand that. For me, it simply has the aspect that I would have the possibility to increase my pension in old age and that I would get the KFW funding twice, even though, of course, corresponding additional costs have to be offset.
Besides, that has not yet been decided. First see what is possible, then see what makes sense. This is not a dream, but an option!


Yes, the plot has already been discussed, but under completely different aspects.
 

Escroda

2020-04-11 18:13:54
  • #3

... which led me to the suspicion that it is not old yet.

Correct. It exceeds the building boundary of "your" building window.

Which means it no longer fits the development plan. That is already at least two exceptions from the development plan. What does the knee wall look like there? The attic is developed, right? How about the other houses in "your" building window? That would be the first part of the environmental analysis.

What is supposed to be prevented still needs to be found out. The area north of the cul-de-sac is designated as GI (industrial area!). The urban planner must first explain to me why a single-story buffer zone is planned between two-story development and industrial area – and as MI at that. If it were a landscape conservation area, that would be different, but as it is? That would be the second part of the environmental analysis.

Hopefully. My experience is that the caseworkers only very reluctantly deal with laypeople and like to name barely comprehensible reasons, the mention of which they would not dare to make towards professionals. But please, if it's different for you, good for you.

Yes, according to Wikipedia that is the case. Here in the forum we distinguish:
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kaho674

2020-04-11 18:21:09
  • #4
The knee wall boxes off the sharp angle in the attic.
Here is an example with a 1.40m boxed off, 28° and 50cm knee wall:



The boxed off area is lost, but the rest of the room becomes more usable.



In such an upper floor, you can nicely accommodate 2 children's rooms and maybe a small children's bathroom if you add a dormer. The parents would have the entire ground floor. I think it can turn out very nicely. It is not / hardly more expensive than with a higher knee wall. The decisive factor for the price is the usable area that has to be developed, not the unused.

I wouldn't find it necessary to overturn the development plan. Furthermore, the chances of success are low if all the houses in the area have complied with it. What the construction manager of the municipality says hardly interests anyone here. The decisive authority is the district office. We built in the outer area. Our local building officer was immediately in favor of us building, but he had exactly zero authority to decide.
Only the preliminary building inquiry at the district office brought clarity. We were lucky, but the circumstances were also quite different.

Just name the plot dimensions. Then one can get an idea of what is possible size-wise and whether you are justified in complaining.
 

ypg

2020-04-11 18:26:33
  • #5

That reads differently from what you wrote he is supposed to have said.

No. Why? Sure, many people are reading along. That's also why I explained the topic of the granny flat.
But I also showed you that one can add a knee wall.

And here we go again, going around in circles: options, although one's own need is something completely different. The bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...
 

Specki

2020-04-11 19:49:37
  • #6

Thanks a lot for your post!
That’s really a good approach.
And thanks for the explanation about the knee wall. I had already suspected that, but the internet gave different information.


Thanks to you too for the info about the knee wall.
Yes, we would have done that anyway.
We would like to have 2 children's rooms + small bathroom + storage room on the upper floor.
Then in the basement: parents' bedroom, bathroom, kitchen/living room, hallway with stairs, utility room.
It would just be nicer to implement with a higher knee wall... Otherwise the storage room would have to go downstairs, then the floor area would get bigger again, which makes it more expensive again.


See attachment.
Once the current state of the plot.
However, we plan to shift one border a bit. So once more the intended state as we imagine it.


To be precise, I quote again from my original post, quoting the email from the LRA:
"the development plan "XXX" of the city XXX is certainly already somewhat outdated and nowadays the stipulated house types would certainly appear differently."


I don’t only have to think about my current needs, do I? Am I not allowed to think about needs in old age, when the children are gone and the pension isn’t as good as I might like? Then the house would basically cover both our current and future needs and all just because of a few planning changes and maybe building 5 sqm larger to include an apartment...

Best regards
Specki

Thanks for your answers!

 

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