Geothermal heat pump, solar, and fireplace as heating?

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haunt

2012-01-10 15:15:22
  • #1
Hello everyone,

after informing myself now I am completely unsure

Call to the developer came back with the statement: We first have to do a heat demand calculation, but basically 0.035 W/m² must be calculated

Call to the manufacturer:
The heat pump delivers 3 to 3.5 KW (demand is approximately 4.5 KW for 136 m² - no basement) and should be realizable through heat recovery and the entire technology.
We have already thought about laying tiles everywhere - they should also bring a few more watts.

A friend of mine said that with his natural gas he is at about 1000 euros per year for a three-family house. I am now wondering whether we should rather switch to a gas boiler + solar package and only use the underfloor heating.

Theoretically, the 3 KW brine heat pump with supply/ventilation + fireplace is totally enough...

or not?

Help!

Regards,

Haunt

Edit:

According to the manufacturer, the brine/water heat pump has 3.5 KW and the heating rod 2 KW and that should also be enough for an external water tank...
 

€uro

2012-01-10 16:14:50
  • #2
A really bad starting point!
Well, there seems to be quite a bit wrong. Demand means energy (kWh), power means kW!
How do you think a judge would evaluate "should"?
How should that be physically possible?
Did the heating load calculation including the thermally effective air volume flows result in 3 kW? Which brine heat pump has a heating capacity of 3 kW? Please provide the manufacturer data! Also, a brine heat pump must manage without an electric heater! Is domestic hot water preparation taken into account?
You urgently need it, otherwise you are building a money pit!

Kind regards
 

haunt

2012-01-10 16:46:26
  • #3
I'm already considering switching back to gas...

But first, thanks for the response!

I would like to understand:

So, according to the manufacturer

First the brine heat pump:
Type Item number Power (kW) B0/W35 Heating element (kW)
JVP3 740023 3.5 2.0

This is a complete package Nilan JVP 3 Compact

Then there is the ventilation system:
- Heat transfer capacity depending on air volume: up to approx. 2 kW

All of this looks good to me so far. We want to build a Kfw 70 house.

According to my calculation, we have a demand of approx. 4.7 (apples, pears, bananas) and the complete system delivers 3.5 (power) + 2 (heating element) + approx. 2 (heat recovery)

Plus the underfloor heating with tiles and without a basement.

What I was able to research so far should not be bad. But these are more or less the statements from the manufacturers

I have now entered the term "energy consultant" in the Yellow Pages...



Have I already mentioned that I am a layman?
 

€uro

2012-01-10 17:43:31
  • #4
That is not necessary, as it is clearly recognizable.
As already mentioned, if the heating load ≤ 3.5 kW, that might be possible. However, there will likely be significant problems with the domestic hot water production.

What is heat transfer capacity? Advertising? 2 kW is already extremely high. How should that be realized in a single-family house?
Well then, my condolences!
Well, I would think again. Own calculation, saving money on accurate sizing? Good luck with the cheap stuff!

Best regards.
 

haunt

2012-01-10 17:59:23
  • #5
I think we are talking past each other.

This is just roughly breaking it down whether this could work that way!

On Thursday I'm meeting with the developer to discuss everything with him. This pump was listed as an option for the house. We are building basically turnkey.
The exact dimensioning will come later – am I one step too early to start worrying about the heating?



Why is that?

Best regards,

haunt
 

€uro

2012-01-11 06:56:50
  • #6
Presumably, I find it difficult to put myself in the position of a layperson. How can this or any other heat pump be an option if no heating load calculation is available? Absolutely illogical.
A proper plan looks something like this:

You can never start early enough.

Best regards.
 

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