General procedure / schedule

When buying a car, I know in advance what I am choosing. I don’t buy a standard car and then wonder that the 360° camera suddenly costs an extra €5000. I never said that I want to lay the screed myself, but simply want at least a 90% final cost breakdown in the offer, no or little surprising costs, and that simply through savings, certain own contributions, and self-contracting. Don’t get carried away with such unnecessary condescension, I don’t do that either. We’re not in kindergarten here.

Sometimes you have to exaggerate a little to clearly point out the criticism.
No offense intended.

To get your costs under control, you have two options based on the same basics (excluding helper work, which will not work sensibly).

1. Professional planning of your individual house including all special wishes with calculation of the quantities incurred
1a. build on 1 and look for a general contractor (regardless of whether it’s a solid or prefabricated house – possibly cellar separately)
1b. individual trade contracting

2. Professional planning of a suitable prefabricated house for you including all special wishes

You can base both plans on and optimize costs through own work. But then not just “helping out,” but taking over (partial) trades. For the layperson, typically simpler flooring and painting work or fine sanitary installation or laying underfloor heating. With more craftsmanship skills, of course, other parts are possible. However, with construction by a general contractor or prefabricated house provider, savings are significantly less than with individual trade contracting.

Hmm, so you want to tell me that, for example, a Regnauer house or a Baufritz are bad and outdated? Could you please explain that further?

No, Regnauer and Baufritz are not bad, but they are not small either. However, they are almost exceptions, as they are apparently still run by the founding family. Most prefab house manufacturers from earlier times originated from a carpentry business ninety to one hundred twenty years ago, took off in the sixties, and then mostly missed the innovation train around the turn of the millennium (or didn’t and survived). The dinosaurs have not entirely gone extinct, but often first merged, then went bankrupt, and in the meantime were bought up as brand names with a nostalgic ring by private equity vultures and revived as sales lines of corporations. In the late '80s, one would still treat oneself to a then Kampa, Weberhaus, or similar as an S-Class upon rising to the executive level of a DAX company — such gilding nowadays, especially for many well-known names, is far less glamorous than back then, if still abrasion-resistant at all. That has become somewhat duller. Some of the small providers are now going through this evolution from artisanal carpentry to industrial business themselves — including all the confusions and complications. Hence my advice: take from the small ones only those who also want to retain their groundedness — mind you, building-method neutral, i.e., also choose among the massive general contractors the companies with hands-on bosses.

I didn't write anything else and never said or meant anything about lending a hand. That's exactly how I meant it. Outsource 1-2 trades externally and the rest through one provider. It's just important to me that I have cost transparency, nothing more

thank you very much. That was exactly the impression I had from Kampa and the like. The Kampa representative really stuck in our minds because the name Kampa was mentioned about 1000 times

To get your costs under control, you have two options based on the same basics (excluding Hiwi-assistive work, which won’t work sensibly).

Are you perhaps in the wrong thread, did you mean the colleague: ?

1. Professional planning of your individual house including all special requests with calculation of the quantities involved 1a. build on 1 and look for a general contractor (regardless of whether it’s a solid or prefabricated house – possibly cellar separately) 1b. awarding individual trades

1b. kind of: by the architect – self-awarding is in my opinion not suitable for first-time builders.

2. Professional planning of a suitable standard house for you including all special requests

I only see one special request here – which is hardly feasible: namely the weather forecast of the final price at the end of the high seas voyage.

The representative from K**** has really stuck in our brains because the name K**** was mentioned about 1000 times

Sales representatives change their employers like underwear and first have to memorize their current employer’s name themselves – preferably by repetitive mantras. By the way, the best providers can be recognized by something that is missing there: namely representatives.

Are you possibly confused in the thread, did you mean the colleague:

Sorry, correct. I take back the assistant work.

I only see one special request here - which is hardly achievable: namely the weather forecast of the final price at the end of the offshore voyage.

Hmm yes, I am not dreaming of hitting exactly zero either. But I also didn’t want to have €100,000 in unplanned expenses on the clock after the sample selection. Do you think it’s possible to better calculate the price before signing the contract through a detailed listing? For example, one could visit the model studios of the respective FHA (which according to the website is possible without any problems), then choose the tiles, the sanitary elements, the stairs, etc., and then present these points for the offer creation. That should work, right? That should also speed up the process for the FHA.

Would that be a way?