Floor plan, not a specific single-family house, approximately 200m² with 2 apartments

  • Erstellt am 2023-02-23 23:30:39

ThomasMagmar

2023-02-24 16:36:54
  • #1


Where am I resistant to it? I have taken/accepted the criticism regarding the sliding door in the bedroom as well as the children’s bathroom, the top view in northern orientation, and the marking of furniture pieces. And regarding other criticism, which I don’t see the same way, I have explained my train of thought or named counterarguments. This was not about comments after a certain course, but it started exactly like that right away.



And here you deliver a prime example, a completely unnecessary provocation calling me a child. This is about a factual discussion, not insults. You should rather question yourself once.



And 20 years ago, people still doubted human reason when someone wanted to build an open kitchen. There are plenty of houses where individual rooms are separated by sliding doors, and this was simply a thought experiment whether this could also be useful for a bed. And here you can just have a normal discussion instead of immediately drifting into ridicule or insults. It’s not like it wasn’t explicitly labeled as a “gimmick”.



I have written here multiple times that I am open to constructive criticism, but in some comments, there was hardly any “knowledge” left or some comments turned out to be ignorant or wrong. It is also about arguing correctly why something is good or bad.



Ahah, and how do you learn the theory? By exchanging with other people who have experience. But since we are talking about individual plans here, not everything can be conveyed. I can go to 10 different architects; naturally, they will agree on the core questions, but I will certainly find some points where each holds a different opinion.

Your example drifts off anyway when you now come up with some safety precautions or takeoff.



See above: calling me a child is not “no bashing,” and there have been many more such immature comments.
 

mayglow

2023-02-24 17:02:55
  • #2
I would consider planning more compactly. Make the living space smaller, put one of the offices on the ground floor, make the hallway more spacious, remove the L-shape from the kitchen, have a direct access to the bathroom from the hallway upstairs, which will also be easier if there is one less room to accommodate. I am not a self floor plan designer. From what you wrote, I could quite well imagine something like the "Flair 152 Re" floor plan ("Standard" downstairs, "Additional room" upstairs probably for you if you want two offices). You save 50 sqm of floor space (which by the way is quite a bit of money), the utility room you missed is also there (the Haas floor plan I mentioned earlier, I believe, is meant for "with basement"), bathrooms are stacked, the kitchen feels much more open, but if you want, you could arrange your sliding doors, the bathroom is accessible to everyone.

Separability in case you want to rent out someday would not be mega easy, but if you really want to, you would probably manage to pull it off somehow. But as I said, I wouldn’t fully plan for that from the start. Since it’s no longer about 200 sqm, maybe it’s less necessary. You wrote "who needs 90 sqm for a hobby," to which I might reply "who needs 200 sqm for four people" ;) (joke, you wouldn’t be the only one planning like that here).
 

Costruttrice

2023-02-24 17:08:00
  • #3
I thought so at first too. But to the right of the garage, a staircase to the garage is planned and from the garage, a front door for the upper floor apartment is drawn. You can also access the utility room from outside areas through the garage. It is possibly intended to lock the stairwell then. However, after the reply, I am no longer sure whether this was thought through completely.
 

kbt09

2023-02-24 17:13:36
  • #4
... very good basic proposal

... what is constructive you determine, but not by yourself alone. You currently do not recognize some constructive ones at all.

.. the thing with the outside stairs is totally dependent on the property .. boundary distance etc. ... by the way, boundary distance also applies to (still) undeveloped properties.
 

Costruttrice

2023-02-24 17:27:21
  • #5


Yes, absolutely! Garage on the boundary with stairs and use of the roof balcony will usually not be possible.

The entire planning depends on the plot, so actually everything is pointless, but the OP doesn't want to discuss that.
 

ThomasMagmar

2023-02-24 18:41:47
  • #6


First of all, I’m not fixated on my explanation, I just want to share my thought process on why I made this decision in advance.

I chose the living area this large because people spend about 80% of their time at home here (when not sleeping or working). A narrower living area would also affect the children’s rooms above due to the wall above. Those are already quite small at 13.5 m². Or do you mean that I should basically place the office where I indicated a possible bedroom? In the hallway, I considered whether to make the utility room longer, the hallway larger as you suggested, or stick to the current version. I decided on this version because I saw the larger space in the hallway as unused area. That way, I could at least extend the kitchen cabinet. What advantage, apart from the look (less cramped), would it have if the hallway were larger there and the kitchen smaller?

I can’t follow you about the direct access to the bathroom; where would I be able to eliminate a room there? To some extent, you are also tied to the walls of the ground floor.

The Flair 152 Re is somewhat closer to what I like, but a few things I like are harder to implement or not possible here. I am a fan of a walk-in garage with a roof terrace, so it would be nice if it could adjoin the house somewhere, but at the same time, the garage should not block important windows. It would also not be bad if the utility room could be accessed from the garage, meaning the east side would be suitable here, but then the bathroom window would have to be blocked. Also, a door to separate the staircase is more difficult to arrange. The walk-in closet would be in the bedroom so you would rather wake up the other one. And there would be less storage space (which is obvious with 50 sqm less).

To separate off, you would have to build a complete enclosure around the staircase, which would then be permanent. In my case, the sliding door can be undone at any time. Theoretically, you can also manage well with significantly fewer square meters (then, for example, home office would have to be done at the dining table ^^), but the more space you have available, the more comfortable various things are, of course. And you have to consider that the basement is gone, so you also need space somewhere to store various things.
 

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