Experiences with SMP Real Estate?

  • Erstellt am 2010-03-14 19:09:42

Hans_Meier

2010-03-14 19:09:42
  • #1
Hello,

does anyone perhaps have experience with SMP Immobilien in Munich or the surrounding area? Or with Jura Planungsbüro? We would be interested in a property from these providers.

Best regards
Hans Meier
 

Passauf

2010-03-20 10:44:00
  • #2
I was able to gain the following experiences with this company under its former name SVP Immobilien (owner Mrs. S.), which I expressly only relate to my construction project and do not want to be understood as generalized, therefore I describe it in the past tense. However, I am aware of many other cases that have suffered a very similar fate.

The company SVP Immobilien/Mrs. S. offered affordable terraced, semi-detached, and also single-family homes in the Munich area. These were often offered with land but could also be purchased solely as construction services on existing or otherwise procured land. However, SVP Immobilien was not a construction company itself but merely established the contact between me as the builder and one of the construction companies for whom they procured customers. At the time of my construction, Mrs. S. had three such construction companies at her disposal. In addition, Mrs. S. worked with an architect who created the house plans/building permit planning or adapted them according to my needs. Upon request, a notary was also procured, and correspondence with the notary's office was handled through Mrs. S., even if the land was not found and purchased through Mrs. S. For this service and further services, which were only to be provided later with the preparation of the building plot, a not insignificant sum of xx000,- Euros had to be paid to Mrs. S.

The contracts for work with the construction company were subsequently concluded only between me as the builder and the company. Mrs. S.’s involvement was providing standard contracts and initial contact with the construction company. All further detailed agreements and related contract changes were made only between me and the construction company without Mrs. S.

So far, so good. House price plus payment to Mrs. S. were still comparatively inexpensive, if only the construction had been completed as contractually agreed.

Unfortunately, the construction company brokered by Mrs. S. initially significantly delayed my build and ultimately had to be terminated due to inactivity according to VOB. Of course, the installments paid up to that point were significantly higher than the construction work performed.

However, there was nothing more to be obtained from this company. The insolvency administrator later did not recognize my claims for reasons not understandable to me. As was apparently the case also for many or even all other affected builders known to me. Shortly thereafter, the second construction company from Mrs. S.’s portfolio also went down the same bumpy path and left many bewildered behind.

In the end, each of the dozens of those affected from both companies had to complete their construction with other companies. Unfortunately, no other company was willing to carry out the remaining construction work at the originally intended prices in my case. Thus, my additional costs were over 25% of the original house price. For that, I could have had a significantly better house built by renowned, well-established companies, presumably without the trouble I experienced.

It is not my intention to blame this financial fiasco solely on Mrs. S. But as a realtor, which she did not want to be (‘realtors have such a bad reputation’), she might have been better able to keep an eye on her construction companies and should no longer have referred new prospective buyers to the dilapidated or becoming dilapidated companies.

I myself was naïve enough to place too much trust in the companies involved and not to heed some of the plenty well-known good advice carefully. Today, these would read, to name just a few:

- Visit all reference addresses and question people personally, not just interrogate by phone. (Probably only those are listed that went relatively smoothly. Ask whether problem cases are known that do not appear on the reference list.)

- At the first signs of mistrust, stop immediately; (Does this look like a proper office of a professional company? Is the number of employees sufficient for so many projects? Are the furniture in the plans intended for adults or children? Measure plans!)

- Go to current construction sites and observe for hours. Is anything happening? Ask the workers about their experience with the construction company. Ask neighbors if there has always been so much/little going on or if there were also long periods of inactivity. With luck, ask builders present about their experiences with the construction company.

- Check with the building authority whether the company is on the blacklist and only served against advance payment.

- Do not accept advance payments in the payment schedule but only pay after the service has been rendered.

- Coordinate the amount of installments with the value of the services provided. Often, the first installments are far too high.

etc.

Then there was a small detail:

If you only purchased the construction service through Mrs. S. and not the plot of land, many of her customers at the time, including myself, were forced by the Mühldorf tax office to pay property transfer tax also on the house price. And that, although for straightforward-thinking citizens it is clear and provable that the land was not purchased through Mrs. S./SVP Immobilien, i.e., no coupling between land and house purchase existed (". stand and fall together ..."). Whether this government action was lawful remains to be seen, as my lawsuit against the Mühldorf tax office is still pending.

Conclusion:

Purchasing my house through SVP Immobilien cost me a lot of nerves, time, and extra money and profoundly changed my lifestyle and prospects, unfortunately not for the better. However, I expressly do not blame the company owner Mrs. S. for this but mainly my own naivety and gullibility; and the in hindsight wrong decision not to accept a job offer abroad and thus leave our caring German fatherland forever.

There remains the vague hope that everyone has learned from this and that things will improve in the future.

Passauf
 

drkaro

2010-04-04 13:42:14
  • #3
Do we know each other??? We felt the same way...
many greetings Karen
 

Passauf

2010-04-04 17:39:40
  • #4
We probably know each other, at least by name and email address. Many former affected individuals are in the pool and know about each other. And for those who are new: Welcome to the club.
 

Hausbesitzer10

2010-04-12 15:15:57
  • #5
SMP Immobilien - another (further) experience

Hello dear SMP interested parties,
yes, we have made experiences.

And to help some with the decision-making for or against collaboration with SMP Immobilien, a part of our experience is presented here very neutrally and unemotionally (forum rules):

We came into contact with SMP in Oct./Nov. 2007 and reserved a plot for a semi-detached house in Munich Perlach Unterbiberger Str. 29 (2,000€ reservation fee paid), as well as concluded a mandatory contract for planning and project costs (19,000€ paid). A construction company was to be arranged if needed. The overall approx. 1,500 sqm parent plot was to be subdivided and ultimately accommodate 3 semi-detached houses (6 semi-detached halves), i.e. 5 other parties were involved. Nov 07 until mid-Feb 08 were entirely devoted to our individual house planning, during which from Jan 08 increasing pressure from SMP was felt to arrange the notary appointment for the land purchase as soon as possible. During this time, it unfortunately also became clear that SMP’s original planning for the positioning of the 3 semi-detached houses on the plot was not feasible at all, since an old building on the property had to remain. For 19,000€ planning and project costs, we would have expected something like this to have been clarified beforehand. But obviously it wasn’t. So multiple replanning rounds took place, which led to "our" partial plot initially increasing from 319 to about 370 sqm (at a 10,000€ surcharge – which would have been acceptable) and then decreasing again to 271 sqm, approximately 50 sqm smaller than originally (strangely though at the original cost – odd). Then the necessary replanning of the house followed. Due to the changed plot size, the setback areas had to be reconsidered, which affected the room heights so that, in our opinion, they became too low. Especially in the attic only about 2.20 m in the middle of the room, meaning a low roof pitch, additional dormer = additional costs…) and a clear height under 2.40 m in the living areas, which would probably have made the installation of underfloor heating impossible.

At this point, in early February 2008, although with a heavy heart, we fortunately decided to withdraw from the project, which according to both above-mentioned contracts/agreements should have been possible as long as no purchase contract for the plot had been concluded. Both planning/project fees and reservation fees were to be refunded by SMP in this case. Ultimately, it took almost 2 months (!) and considerable correspondence to get the 19,000€ back and more than half a year and the threat of legal steps for the repayment of the reservation fee. Also, the change of builder was neither reported by the "project developer" SMP to the building authority, nor were we informed that it was our responsibility as builders to do so. We only found this out three months after our departure from the project through our own investigations...

Summary:
Personally, after our experience, I would no longer do business with SMP Immobilien or engage in a similarly structured project constellation, even if the initial price sounds tempting. From a professional project developer, who is then happy to receive an appropriate fee – as a customer I expect better planning and project execution (especially in advance) than what we experienced in this case. As said, this is my personal opinion and is based solely on the one personal experience made in the described project. However, I could provide several further details about this project, all fitting the picture shown...
In the meantime, we have purchased a used property nearby (WYSIWYG) and have been following the "development" in Unterbiberger Str. from time to time since Feb. 2008. According to our latest information, now more than 2 years later (!) construction is supposed to begin in July 2010... (currently, in the Münchner Merkur, one of these aforementioned partial plots of about 200 sqm with a semi-detached house by SMP is being offered again – the offer price has developed interestingly compared to the price about 2 years ago)
 

Baumhaus1

2010-04-15 11:35:55
  • #6
SMB - no thanks!

Hello,

we also had an experience with this real estate agency and luckily managed to back out after not signing the contract. We have also heard from several people who had negative experiences.

We were offered a purchase contract for a plot of land and a separate contract with a builder who would then build the house (end-terrace house, a total of 2 x 3 houses were planned). We had the contracts checked and the lawyer strongly advised against it because the price for the land was way too high and the price for the house was set too low.

The problem is that if the construction doesn’t take place because the builder goes bankrupt, you end up stuck with your land and also have to agree with two other parties on how to proceed. And a new builder (as already described here in the forum) simply demands more money for the same property.

We have also been following the house construction on this plot of land ever since. Actually, construction was supposed to start in autumn 2009, but now the demolition of the existing house began in March 2010.

Our tip: Trust no one, not even a notary, and always have contracts checked by a lawyer beforehand!
 

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