Building a single-family house in NRW

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bierkuh83

2017-05-04 00:03:09
  • #1
You are discussing with fantasized figures that are completely detached from reality. I cannot compare the forced air exchange rates of a controlled residential ventilation system with window ventilation. When are ventilation losses particularly high? Correct, when there is a high DeltaT between inside and outside. What do I then not do with window ventilation? Right, leave the window open for a long time. Does this lower the relative humidity? Yes. Has anyone ever died from CO2 poisoning because of this? No idea. So, you business administrators... now let that sink in for a moment and then good night.
 

Grym

2017-05-04 00:37:32
  • #2
I don't like repeating myself. Wait, actually I do... So here is the calculation ONCE AGAIN:

Filter costs for 4 filters each of F7 and G4, if you buy an empty frame and the filter separately: 25 EUR per year (quarterly filter replacement). I took the first offer on Amazon each time; there may be cheaper filters.

A controlled residential ventilation system has an annual performance factor of about 15 to 20. For 1 kWh of electricity consumption you get 15 to 20 kWh of heat back.

Consumption about 35 watts per hour, so 306 kWh per year. Savings accordingly about 4,599 to 6,132 kWh. That also fits well with the practical experience that with a controlled residential ventilation system you can dimension the heating at least 2 kW smaller (with heat pump).

At a gas price of 4.82 cents as we have, savings are therefore 221.67 to 295.56 EUR per year. Electricity costs 306 kWh x 26.54 cents (rather expensive with us) = 81.21 EUR.

Electricity 80 EUR, filter 25 EUR and financing 150 EUR make 255 EUR or in other words, it pays for itself well at current prices and saves money at future prices. Comfort, time savings, better indoor air, etc., all come free on top.

And with us the controlled residential ventilation system has anyway made solar water heating unnecessary. So we saved about 5,000 EUR here (otherwise at least 3 collectors would be necessary with us).

Not to forget, if you heat with an air-water heat pump, you have to pay significantly more than 4.8 cents per kWh of thermal energy.

Better air, cleaner air, no longer having to ventilate but always being able to ventilate. In winter no longer having to let in ice-cold air while the child is playing. At a party not having to ventilate once per hour, etc... And a lot of time saved day after day after day...

Allergies are rising, correct. That's why the F7 filter also filters pollen. This relief at least for the 8-16 hours at home significantly lowers the risk of an allergy moving up a level for an allergy sufferer. According to current research it is also likely that fine dust and diesel exhaust, which combine with actually harmless pollen and thus enter the body, are partly responsible for allergies. The body recognizes the poison (fine dust, diesel exhaust), but also immediately produces antibodies against the pollen, which it identifies together with it. City dwellers have significantly more allergies than country dwellers. It's not due to the hygiene hypothesis or some magical dirt in the cowshed - this has long been tested. Probably rather chronic exposure of city dwellers to the above-mentioned substances (diesel, fine dust, etc.). Not to mention that it is proven that fine dust exposure leads to arteriosclerosis and cancer. That doesn't mean I want to completely shield myself here. But if I have better air 8-16 hours a day, that suits me fine. Especially since it is FREE.

And a smoker doesn't necessarily die from smoking. You are a RISK controller. Should I explain your profession to you? Of course the RISK of mold in a non-controlled residential ventilation house is significantly higher than in a controlled residential ventilation house. Still, controlled residential ventilation houses can mold and non-controlled residential ventilation houses can remain mold-free. Similarly, there are lifelong non-smokers without radon exposure who get lung cancer in their 40s and smokers who never get lung cancer.

And the controlled residential ventilation system makes the photovoltaic system more profitable through base load. Just like that. Whether photovoltaics pay for themselves or not, dear Mr. Controller, is completely irrelevant for this consideration. These are "sunk costs." But if the photovoltaics are there anyway, they become more profitable or less unprofitable through controlled residential ventilation. Depending on the case.

But these are all just side issues. What matters is that the controlled residential ventilation system pays for itself and in some cases is even profitable. Also important is that all other features of controlled residential ventilation come free on top. Whether it's better air in the city, less need to ventilate everywhere or lower pollen exposure for allergy sufferers. Whether it's lower mold risk or higher resale value. All a gift on top of the controlled residential ventilation that pays for itself anyway. Or whether you save 5,000 EUR on an expensive and maintenance-prone solar water heater - as in our case. Here all of that is a freebie on top of a freebie.
 

77.willo

2017-05-04 02:14:40
  • #3
The invoice is already dubious for the sole reason that with a controlled residential ventilation system I exchange significantly more air than I would through normal airing. I recover 84% of what would otherwise largely be lost to me conventionally.
 

Caspar2020

2017-05-04 06:34:35
  • #4


Google DIN 1946-6. or search for "DIN 1946-6 - Ventilation according to concept Consequences and boundary conditions for planning and execution in residential construction".
 

bierkuh83

2017-05-04 08:40:34
  • #5
Yeah, I know. We actually also received a ventilation concept and an operating manual for the house. Everything’s great. When we are present, there is sufficient ventilation. So far, no complaints about bad air. Controlled residential ventilation is more comfortable, blah blah blah...
 

Evolith

2017-05-04 10:58:47
  • #6
Wow. Controlled residential ventilation explosion. I admit I gave up there.

We have controlled residential ventilation, I have experienced it live and think it’s super great! Constantly airing out annoys me a lot (just let the kid run around the house with a fully soiled diaper ... you can almost see the scent trail. How nice it is when the bad smell is immediately sucked away.).
By the way, our expert fully advocates some kind of ventilation when the house is sealed as hermetically as today’s new builds. Whether it’s rebate ventilation, controlled residential ventilation, or automated window movement.
He has never seen residents properly ventilate themselves. Usually either too long, too short, or on the wrong sides. Apps and sensors might help a bit there.

On the topic: we also built with a budget provider (Heinz von Heiden) or are still in the process. Conclusion: we are completely satisfied. But you have to be aware that you don’t get pampering service and have to handle a lot organizationally yourself. You also have to read the building description carefully so that unexpected self-performed work doesn’t suddenly emerge.
Whether we will still be happy with the choice in 20 years, I can’t tell you at this point.
But our expert is so far more than satisfied with the status. Good materials, cleanly executed trades. And he thinks absolutely nothing of Heinz von Heiden. He grumbles and marches off the construction site every time because he can’t find any issues.

As with everything, a successful build stands or falls with the assigned site manager and the craftsmen. If even one idiot is involved, it can already give you gray hair.
Look around, read the building descriptions carefully, and try to convert pears to apples to get comparable offers. Set your priorities (basement? controlled residential ventilation? large rooms? 1-, 2-, or 3-story? heating type doesn’t matter? garage included a must? etc).
And last but not least, you should listen to your gut feeling. If you feel uncomfortable, the contact (and you will have a lot of it) will not be fun for you.
 

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