Saruss
2016-01-07 23:15:13
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V ~ r³, A ~ r². V/A grows faster than A. The heat losses related to the volume become infinitely small for an infinitely large storage (this is the theoretical limiting case).
Yes and no, V/A grows with r (as you correctly calculate), but A also grows with r² (as you yourself say), which means the heat losses increase linearly with r.
So, with double the radius you have four times the amount, but also double the loss. The ratio is therefore better, but the absolute loss is still greater. (Assuming a cylinder, rough estimation with the mantle much larger than the lid surfaces)
An infinitely large storage unfortunately also has infinitely much surface area through which it loses heat, and how to compensate for infinitely large energy losses now... well XD
Yes, that's true, but be careful, in my opinion the interesting point is the losses related to the stored heat. The source term of the balance (the heat supplied electrically by the heat pump, which should be independent of the surface-volume ratio) is, in my opinion, irrelevant.
It does play a role because the absolute losses are larger. If you store 500L but only need 250L, then unfortunately the unused 250L also cool down and must be reheated. Despite greater efficiency, you lose more energy in absolute terms. The calculation only works if you really use the 500L more frequently. For the balance, in the end, (energy used)/(used hot water) counts, and with absolutely higher losses, you have to use more energy.
For example, going from 200L to 500L requires about a 1.6 times larger radius, meaning about 1.6 times the energy loss for 2.5 times the water volume. This additional energy is simply lost. Without any ifs or buts; also without "that is less energy per liter." If the storage cools down faster than you can use the hot water, a somewhat smaller storage would definitely be more efficient.
If you now calculate the height of the cylinder instead of the radius, the advantage is gone anyway because the surface area almost doubles with doubling volume (this is unfortunately often the real case; you do not place a small, thick tank often due to space reasons).
Does your heat pump have a suitable interface or do you have to improvise for that? Is there something like that for engineers (i.e., in Excel)?
There is both an interface and something to tinker with. For the power consumption, for example, I prefer a DIY solution rather than relying on the heat pump’s values.
I don’t know what you want to have in Excel now?