About passive houses and plastic bags and styrofoam fur

  • Erstellt am 2018-01-26 22:22:29

Nordlys

2018-01-26 22:22:29
  • #1
Alex, if it comes to that, thank God we built now. Living in a plastic bag with a styrofoam coat. Horrible. The windows are probably screwed shut, and if the controlled residential ventilation fails, you suffocate. The eyes constantly itch and everyone gets asthma because of the dryness. No no. EU? Really? Poland and Greece and Slovakia are doing this nonsense too? I just can't believe that. Karsten
 

ruppsn

2018-01-27 00:28:37
  • #2

Just to counter the hysteria a bit. There is nothing wrong with sensible (!) insulation. And you wouldn't believe it, but there are also natural insulating materials in the north. So it doesn't have to be plastic. Your Ytong is also not exactly the superior building material... neither better than KS, wood, or brick, nor worse. Just different.
What is certainly annoying, however, is the excessive insulation craze, driven by well-functioning lobbying and energy saving regulations.
 

Alex85

2018-01-27 05:41:26
  • #3
It is a system issue. Only when the insulation craze is driven so far that underfloor heating and heating systems become obsolete does the calculation add up again. I don't find that unwise. Currently, however, we are living in a transition period towards this, unless you are planning a passive house (whose advocates already say today that if consistently implemented, it leads to hardly any additional costs).
 

DNL

2018-01-27 11:20:06
  • #4


I built a KfW40 house. There is neither styrofoam nor plastic nor synthetic material in the walls. No, it was not extraordinarily expensive. Wood and cellulose.
 

Tego12

2018-01-27 13:44:12
  • #5


Nevertheless, the house is just as airtight, whether Styrofoam shell or wooden construction. Why a few people always have a problem with that, who knows.. most of the time it's the "back in the day everything was better" faction.

Those who wake up in such a house in the morning, comfortable and consistently tempered thanks to good insulation, fresh air as if you had just aired it out (thanks to the ventilation system), all that at minus 5 degrees outside, ... yeah, they quickly change their mind.
 

Nordlys

2018-01-27 18:17:41
  • #6
Tego, I have a problem with the Styrofoam things. I have asthma and react very strongly to air that is too dry. In some houses with controlled residential ventilation, I feel very uncomfortable and breathe poorly.
In old houses with drafty windows, strangely never. Also one reason why we chose window rebate ventilators.
Then there are these Styrofoam facades. Often, not always, done so badly that you see the block structure with raking light. Often algae-covered. Breaks quickly. Also annoying to, for example, bolt a mailbox to something like that. It also produces huge amounts of special waste. I consider the whole thing to be a dead end. We live in the north, where heating has always been done and will have to continue. Instead of focusing so much on buildings when it comes to burning and CO2, it would be more effective to start with traffic and, for example, push SUVs off the market. Anyone too stiff to get into a Golf, Astra, or Focus should simply work on their mobility. I would also be okay with speed limits. That would also reduce the incentive to order big engines. Transport would become more expensive, which means less truck traffic, and free shipping would simply not be an option. Etc.
Again, I find living in passive houses unhealthy.
 

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