Realistic or daydream? (Buying property without equity)

  • Erstellt am 2017-04-19 19:50:20

Nordlys

2017-05-26 20:32:26
  • #1
Ok, then it is only worth it with higher interest rates than now. Too bad.
 

Alex85

2017-05-27 06:36:55
  • #2
The churches have long realized that 99 years is a long time and they lose a lot of money if the lease is fixed. My question, however, is always why the church owns so much of the FRG and whether this is really okay or how this ownership came about ...
 

tomtom79

2017-05-27 07:12:27
  • #3

On the other hand, they sell properties in the most expensive areas for 1 euro
 

Nordlys

2017-05-27 10:43:46
  • #4

I can only speak for Schleswig-Holstein. The area belonged to the Danish crown. After the introduction of the Reformation by Copenhagen, the crown seized the church and monastic lands. (They had been honestly stolen over the centuries...) Then the question arose how to pay the pastors. So the king gave land back to the parishes so that the pastor could lease it out, that was his income. The monastery land was kept – that is why, for example, Cismar Monastery is still property of the state of SH today.
In 1864 Prussia took over. The church land was confiscated again, the pastors became civil servants and were thus salaried by the state in a Prussian-correct manner. After the First World War, this was reversed again. The church communities received the church land back, it was leased out again. The pastor's salary has since been paid by the church itself, the lease income has served since that time to secure pensions. That is why it is almost forbidden to sell land.
Land that is no longer suitable for leasing as farmland because it has become building land is leased out as a hereditary lease. Karsten
 

Alex85

2017-05-27 11:04:07
  • #5
Karsten, very interesting, thank you! I would prefer if the honestly stolen land would fall to the state that takes over the ongoing leases and sells areas upon request. The church may gladly pay its staff from membership fees and privately generated income, just like any other association or company.
 

Nordlys

2017-05-27 22:42:52
  • #6
Well, the bit about honestly having been stolen was of course irony. We are dealing here with times of the Middle Ages, yes the Migration Period, partly late Roman times; Germany’s oldest church in Trier dates from the time of Emperor Constantine. There were donations to the church, some genuine and honest, just as well as donations as bribes to get a well-paid bishopric. There were monasteries that made swamp and moorland arable, and this wasteland was then handed over to them as thanks because it had become land. Etc. The whole thing is complex and unfairly judged if you apply our standards. One thing is certain, these lands do not rightfully belong to the state anyway. And if one gets upset about churches owning prime downtown locations, one should also consider that where this land is today there probably wasn’t even a city a thousand years ago, but only a wilderness monastery that built a church there, which later became the cathedral. In any case, for those wanting to build, the church as a hereditary leaseholder and for farmers as a donor of long-term leased land is not a bad address, and often more ethically upright than municipal administrations that sell off new development areas by bidding procedures. Karsten
 
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