Planning of a captain's gable house on a corner plot

  • Erstellt am 2024-02-21 22:46:56

LisaO

2024-02-21 22:46:56
  • #1
Hello,

we were able to reserve a plot of land (thank you very much for your help!) and now want to plan a captain’s gable house.
We are quite satisfied with the external appearance of the house, the placement on the plot, and the ground floor, only the upper floor is still causing us some concerns.
Maybe you have some ideas and suggestions for improvement. We would be happy!

Here are the key data:
Bebauungsplan/Einschränkungen
Size of the plot: 1,062 m²
Slope: none
Floor area ratio: 0.3
Plot ratio: 1
Building window, building line and boundary: 3m
Edge development: yes
Number of parking spaces: at least 2
Number of storeys: 1.5
Roof shape: minimum pitch of 30 degrees
Style direction: /
Orientation: north-south
Maximum heights/limits: max. ridge height: 9m
Further requirements: parallel orientation to a property boundary

Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: captain’s gable house
Basement, floors: no basement
Number of persons, ages: two adults, two children (3 and 5 years); possibly a third child planned
Room requirements on GF, UF: total about 170 m²
Office: family use or home office?: home office (3-4 times a week)
Guests per year: none
Open or closed architecture:
Conservative or modern style:
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen, adjoining kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 8 seats with the possibility to expand to 16 seats several times a year
Fireplace: no fireplace
Music/stereo wall: /
Balcony, roof terrace: /
Garage, carport: double carport
Utility garden, greenhouse: /
Further wishes/particularities/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
- Office on the ground floor needed
- Spacious utility room with separate technical room and access from outside, since we often come home with dirty clothes and do not want the dirt in the entrance area
- Covered entrance
- Fixed stairs to the attic, to possibly set up an additional playroom for the children
- Three children’s rooms (one of which should serve as an additional office if we do not have a third child)
- No separate dressing room

House design
Who planned it: architect
What do you particularly like? Why?: spacious entrance area and utility room, external appearance
What do you not like? Why?: dormer not centered; third children’s room far too small, storage room on the upper floor not necessary
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house, incl. equipment:
Preferred heating technology: heat pump

If you have to do without, which details/extensions
- you can do without: dormer
- you cannot do without: shower on ground floor, utility room, bedrooms, bathtub, walk-in showers

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SoL

2024-02-22 00:36:53
  • #2
Hello,

the following things would bother me:
Ground floor:
- No cloakroom - where do you dress, where do jackets go? Always into the utility room, even with guests?
- I would place the door of the storage room outside at the carport opposite the door to the garden. Otherwise, you have to go around the corner every time when you come from the garden and want to take something out.
- The door to the guest toilet opens into the traffic area in front of the office. You can get hit by a door there occasionally. I see no reason to have the door open into the hallway.

Upper floor:
- Unnecessarily small third children’s room, which comes from the impractical layout, presumably due to the fixed attic stairs.
- Storage room is hardly usable because it also requires a lot of traffic area and is narrow.
- The bathroom resembles a ballroom, doesn’t fit the size of the third children’s room.
- An interior windowless hallway is not a nice thing. You have no daylight and always depend on lighting.

I would reduce the bathroom in the upper floor, enlarge the storage room and convert it into the third children’s room (possibly swapping with the bedroom if there is a third child) and remove the small room. This way you get light in the hallway, a usable room and can keep the stairs to the upper floor.
Additionally, you can set up a reading/play corner with garden view at the top of the hallway.

Best regards
 

ypg

2024-02-22 00:53:54
  • #3
Sorry, but two pages look totally misaligned and inappropriate. So really wrong and eye-straining. If you plan a symmetrical third or captain's gable, you should free yourself from dreaming of individual floor plans and wall shifts. It’s not possible. It’s best to think in a grid and make the best of it. That is the compromise! Basically, but also feasible here: place ancillary rooms and garages to the north, keep the south and west for living areas. Bedrooms are considered ancillary rooms here, children's rooms as permanent living spaces. Thus, for me, the design is not negotiable.
 

hanghaus2023

2024-02-22 12:10:30
  • #4
I will link to the original post:

https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/reservierung-eines-grundstuecks.46210/
 

hanghaus2023

2024-02-22 12:29:44
  • #5
Is the old-fashioned style mandatory?

In the other post, the development plan refers to the text version. Do you have that as well?

I’m not very knowledgeable about floor plans, but you should reconsider the parapet height of the kitchen window. Or are you building for wheelchair users?

In the upper floor, the bay window to accommodate the bathroom?? Next to it a huge storage room? The bathroom could go there.

The orientation of the house can be done like that if it is certain that no house will follow to the south.
 

11ant

2024-02-22 16:12:25
  • #6
Just now I was already pleased that the planner is not an octameter-ignorant, when I read this:

This is – as I have repeatedly explained (and in "The upper floor has priority") – no less certain than the "Amen" in church a consequence of starting with the GF (and/or ...)

... the choice of the "wrong" building body concept.

Captain’s house always means one-and-a-half stories (and thus uneven axis load distribution with a focus on the GF). If the room program for the UF would rather require an OF, something accordingly has to be shifted to the GF (here: the "storage room," for example), if the captain’s house shape is decisive in the end.


That symmetry is no value in itself, and often a mortgage on a house design, I surely have mentioned before.

If a redundant room does not compensate for a missing room, something before the comma is wrong.

At first I wanted to complain about the choice of words, but after inspecting the corpus delicti, perhaps better to grant a poetry prize for it.

This pit stop is regularly skipped in 3D and VR.

Overall the design seems to me not freshly cooked, but tinkered from a catalog house (similar to how one knots a "dog" from a single long balloon).
By the way, also read my post "Lightweight walls in solid houses?". At least as a standard I would not build masonry in the UF.
 

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