!!! PELLET HEATING: Forest floor is bleeding !!! IMPORTANT !!!

  • Erstellt am 2009-02-01 11:39:00

Honigkuchen

2009-02-03 08:43:42
  • #1


Hello Klaus,

thank you, you’re welcome, I always find it important to pass on such information.
- The problem is: You have to heat with something :(
The only real help is to MAINLY rely on renewable energies, that is solar energy, and also, even if it personally goes against me: ground source heat pumps and the like...

- Why do ground source heat pumps go against me?

I am by no means an eco-woman, nor particularly esoteric-minded – but when I imagine that the Earth as a whole can be considered a kind of living organism, which reacts very sensitively even to minimal changes, and then I further imagine that this organism is not only exploited by commercial enterprises (drilling for resources etc.), but now also has thousands of private individuals drilling a “nail” deep into the crust... well, I don’t know.

Somehow the thought makes me feel really uneasy.

You just can’t do everything to “Mother Earth,” and it’s really time to think about a reasonably harmless overall energy concept and not create solutions that only help in the short or medium term until it turns out maybe it wasn’t such a good idea after all...

- Really dumb, the overall situation

Well, we have to make the best of it.
Stupid cliché, that phrase, but what else do we have?

Best regards
Honigkuchen
 

Honigkuchen

2009-02-03 09:08:18
  • #2
No, Mausi...



Hello Mausi, I don’t mean this badly, but did you really read the entire article carefully?

I’ll share some important sentences from it:

"In the past, pellets were made from wood waste. That was completely fine. However, due to the federal government’s subsidy programs, the demand has risen so sharply that increasingly also forest wood is being used."

Huge excavators are brought into the forest to pull out and utilize even tree stumps. The heavy machinery tramples the fine pores in the soil, which are important for aeration. The soil suffocates, tree roots begin to rot, the trees lose their grip and topple more easily in the next storm. Also, the water storage capacity of the forest soil drops drastically, impacting our groundwater table.

(It’s not just about the damage to the forest itself, to the trees, to the soil, but also that it has effects on the vital groundwater for us. After all, only - how much? Less than 1%, I believe? - of the world is covered/supplied with fresh water. If the groundwater table is manipulated, it means higher costs for communities and ultimately for private individuals/end consumers.)

Half of a tree’s minerals are stored in its crown. In the past, the crowns were left to rot in the forest, returning minerals to the soil. Now the forest soil is bleeding out, and this will have consequences in the next tree generations.

- So, it’s not about the leaves (in deciduous and not coniferous trees), but that previously only the trunk was taken, whereas now the crowns are also chipped/used, and that robs the forest soil of important minerals.

But what many don’t know: The wood chips from which the pellets are made are dried in combined heat and power plants. And many of these are operated with imported palm oil, for which rainforests in Borneo are being cleared.

That one shouldn’t continue to cut down rainforests, as this already has devastating effects on the global climate, should be well known by now, right?

The ash is harmful to health. Because it contains toxic organic compounds, it is also not suitable as fertilizer for the garden. The residues must be disposed of. The heating owner must take care of this themselves. Not a harmless matter, because when emptying the boiler, dust arises quite heavily.

This means: If you already have a pellet stove, you should buy one that can empty itself automatically, i.e., so that you don’t come into contact with the ash yourself or inhale it; or one whose ash can be funneled directly into a bag at the push of a button.

I think I read something like this once in a construction magazine, if I remember correctly.

The chipboard manufacturers compete with private individuals and power plant operators for low-quality wood. Its price is rising now, which is why companies resort to higher-quality wood. But that is actually reserved for paper and furniture production. The process is like a domino effect from the bottom up. The result: wood prices rise overall.

- A few years ago, we had a sharply increased demand for pellets.
Result: pellet prices shot up like crazy.
Since then, they have fallen again (not to previous levels, but at least), but it is foreseeable that prices will rise again, especially since the federal government promotes pellet stoves.

So anyone who, like us hopefully still this year, lives near a forest should contact the local forester and take advantage of wood waste and not used firewood etc.

We will not buy a normal pellet stove, but a combination that can burn not only pellets but also wood chips and/or firewood.

Then we only have to resort to pellets in emergencies.

And the also installed solar thermal system mainly supplies our demand for hot water and thus our underfloor heating (the only heating in the low-energy house, completely sufficient; only on extremely cold days is supplementary firing by the wood stove necessary).

Conclusion: You can’t do everything "perfectly" in terms of the environment and for future generations.

THE perfect solution hardly exists right now—in our latitudes at least. In the desert with lots of sun, it would surely be different.

But at least one can try to approach perfection and not rely on only one heating type.

In the end, that will be not only expensive for oneself because the fuels for it become costly, but also expensive for our children and grandchildren. - To put it drastically (polemically?): Possibly super expensive: because climate changes already cost many their lives today.

Regards
Honigkuchen
 

Honigkuchen

2009-02-03 09:39:36
  • #3
Refute? - Sure.. I believe every statistic I have faked...



Hello Brause,

I had already written this to Klaus and Mausi:
There is actually no perfect solution; only an approximation to it.

The forester’s tip was: build a low-energy house or, if it’s an old building, insulate well so that overall less energy is needed than before; install solar thermal; use a wood stove only as a basic/emergency heating, if there is no other way.

This keeps emissions low, and the costs saved amortize little by little. And the scarcer the raw materials become, the faster this amortization is achieved.

- As for the refuting bit:

Hello?
"Peter Wohlleben, born in 1964, was an official in the Rheinland-Pfalz state forestry department for two decades. In his opinion, classical forestry did not protect the forests, but exploited them. Wohlleben quit his civil servant position because he wanted to develop gentle ways of forest use."

I think a forester who has done the work for 20 years can assess this better than a report possibly commissioned by the pellet/wood industry that says the opposite.

Who, pray tell, would be surprised by that?

The mobile phone industry has also had dozens of counter-reports "made," supposedly proving there is no harmful effect.

- Yet people still advise that young people under some certain age should not hold a mobile phone to their head, or at most for some limited minutes? Hello?

Last year I lost a friend who talked a lot on his mobile phone and (a fairly radiation-intensive) cordless phone, at only 30 years old (!) to a malignant brain tumor.

Another friend who always carries his phone, in his pants pocket, just barely escaped the clutches of Master Grimm - prostate cancer, amputation of a testicle, endless radiation treatments.

- But, yes sure, there are counter-reports, so one can be calm again and just believe that sheepishly, because if something calms you down, that’s better than constantly worrying about this and that.

- Sorry if this sounds very sarcastic and you possibly feel personally attacked – I don’t mean it badly, but I really get very angry about this, because it’s clear that the economy determines our whole lives, and we have to deal with that.

But we don’t have to believe everything we are told when our common sense – and/or our gut feeling – tells us something very different.

If only we listen well enough inside ourselves.

Regards
Honigkuchen
 

tmw

2010-09-18 00:12:33
  • #4
Oh man, this is really a crazy discussion. I’m not entirely sure about some points in the discussion whether everything is true. Because I find it hard to believe that a large part of the combined heat and power plants are actually operated with palm oil. After all, there are many other ways to operate a combined heat and power plant.

Nevertheless, it is of course not reasonable if any tree crowns etc... are processed into pellets. It’s like everywhere, you must not overdo it.
 

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