Overpriced house offer?

  • Erstellt am 2012-07-13 16:58:53

eugen

2012-07-16 16:35:45
  • #1
Hello construction expert,

I asked the seller what the abbreviation SOL means, he only said it is a type designation or something like that, so it seems he didn’t know himself what it means.

Regarding the dormer, it is standard in this house plan. We wouldn’t do without it anyway, we just think it’s great.

Regarding the heating, I am currently in discussion with €uro via PN.

@ Ju-Ri

Yes, we are currently in the process of getting other offers, let’s see what comes out of it.

Best regards Eugen
 

€uro

2012-07-17 12:09:02
  • #2


Absolutely hilarious, someone wants to sell something but doesn't know what it is. Typical for the industry, though they do find enough naive sheep :confused:

Best regards
 

Bauexperte

2012-07-17 23:26:01
  • #3
Hello €uro,


Oh please - could we agree that not only the evil seller is to blame, but that there is a not exactly small branch of business that practically cries out for this "business model"? "Pot and lid" - surely you've heard that before? That you almost exclusively portray the providers as the culprits honestly increasingly gets on my - quite uniquely - anatomical detail.

SCNR - even you (with all understanding for margins) have to realize that no coin has only one side ... and you know that I greatly appreciate your participation here ...

Kind regards
 

eugen

2012-07-18 07:11:10
  • #4
Good morning @ all.

We have received a new offer from the same construction company, only with a gas boiler + solar thermal system instead of air-water heat pump + controlled residential ventilation (and electrical work additionally as in-house labor). The price is now almost 30k less, so 239,000.- What do you say about that?

PS:
I have another question:

When is the underfloor heating installed with the screed? After the interior walls are up or before? Or does it not matter?
And how is it with the sanitary installation (drain pipes etc.), also before the screed or after?

Regards Eugen
 

Bauexperte

2012-07-18 12:41:48
  • #5
Hello €uro,


I once thought like you too – but the vast majority of builders who fall for such a salesperson are definitely not as "naive" as you seem to believe! They find in this salesperson exactly the lid that fits their pot, because you cannot convince them with even the best-intended recommendation, as that always costs money anyway, and in their internet-trained eyes, that is a "no go" :rolleyes:


No, definitely not – but I also reserve the right not to build with the aforementioned builders. This not only spares my stomach but also maintains the enthusiasm of our architect, site manager, and other important suppliers and craftsmen to build a sustainable future.


Our small team works like that ;)

What you forget is that the majority of potential builders – why is the internet full of criticisms precisely of providers working this way? – just do not want to invest this reasonably spent money. Cheap operators & Co. have full order books and thus the survival of this forum is also guaranteed.

The path you describe is taken by the quiet and therefore smart users of this forum; you will hardly find a question they ask here touching on your specialty. They also know that a sensibly constructed house must cost "x," have solid equity, and do not argue about construction time and gladly involve external construction supervision. This characterizes, for example, our builders; which does not mean that nothing occasionally goes wrong for us. However, you will find no negative statements from our builders on the net because all involved pull together in the worst case. But you can be sure that our builders clarify in their diaries how we all together resolved these problems to their satisfaction. If it were otherwise, we would certainly receive no recommendations.


I partly agree with you – partly, because a rethink is taking place among economically minded builders; it must take place if they want to survive. However, the majority of "traditionalists" join the larger, nationwide license holders, and thus the situation remains as it is in the long run. I also know of two nationwide providers who have adapted to the changed requirements, and this not without success. They employ well-trained energy consultants and produce solid building plans that are not overtaken by reality; however, these two are also not license holders but stand behind their good name.

But back to the topic. The small local builder is rarely well trained regarding sales. It is thus pre-programmed that he cannot competently inform about the connection between "envelope and technology." What he lacks – but which is usually too expensive for him – is a salesperson who takes care of these matters for him. His architect has long been one of his best friends. His customers usually see the good quality and do not worry about long-term consumption because they know that their acquaintance – who made the recommendation – only has good things to report. So his survival is secured.

The majority of builders will continue to sign with cheap operators, as the technical connection only costs them cold cash, which they would rather invest in better sanitary equipment or a new kitchen.

An example from my daily practice. The most frequent sentence we hear from interested parties in the initial conversation is: "I want a passive house, at least a KfW 55 house." When we then clarify the expected costs, I can be sure that in the end – provided the interested party and we fit together personally at all – a maximum of a KfW 70 efficiency house will be built. If our advice consistently results in the stupid answer: "the competition can do it cheaper," we close our files, thank for the coffee, and politely explain that we do not fit together under these conditions and wish them all the best for their building project. Quite often, I find these – then builders – in new housing developments with a construction sign from the well-known cheap operators. Few of them are honest; some, however, are. They then explain to me: "our predictions were almost 100% correct, and they are now marching toward the final price we indicated in the initial discussion; but with lots of delays and trouble. Could have been."


I see it the same way.

What I want to express with this – I wish you would also address the questioners here on their shortcomings and not just prematurely put the blame on the salespeople. Also explain that there can be no Bentley at the price of a Lupo. I know a large number of excellently trained salespeople (none work for a cheap operator) who do not work differently than we do. Builders regularly defended by you do not come closer to the truth but discredit a predominantly very well-working professional group.

Best regards
 

Bauexperte

2012-07-18 12:53:25
  • #6
Hello Eugen,


Solar thermal system - I can already hear the euros being typed ;)

I can neither confirm nor advise against the price. Forecasts via the internet without knowing the exact data are about as reliable as predicting lottery numbers. To get a reasonable statement, I advise you to have all documents checked externally. Only with full knowledge of all data – for example, how the waterproof basement is sealed – can a reliable assessment be given.

As a rule of thumb, you can only assume in advance that below €1,500.00/sqm/living space plus costs for renewable energies and personal extras, solid quality in building a single-family house cannot be achieved.

Best regards
 

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