Overpriced house offer?

Hello construction expert,

... In this seller you find exactly that lid which fits your pot, ...

Isn't that naive or naive?

... Billigheim & Co. enjoy full order books and thus the continuation of this forum is also guaranteed.

Exactly, therefore clarification about the actual value is necessary.

... However, I also know of 2 nationwide providers who have adapted to the changed requirements and not without success. They employ well-trained energy consultants and create solid building plans that are not overtaken by reality; however, neither are licensors, but they are liable with their good name.

So it seems to work after all.

... So its continuation is secured.

Large corporations with X employees in management have believed this before, today they are bankrupt ;-) Flexibility and adaptation to new conditions is naturally difficult for regionalists. However, times and requirements change, whether Heiz and Fritz can keep up here is beyond his knowledge. Thus the end is preprogrammed.

... The majority of builders will continue to sign with Billigheimers because the technical connection only costs hard cash, which they would rather invest in better sanitary equipment or a new kitchen.

Here I have a different opinion. The Internet is an increasing and not to be underestimated power. One or the other will increasingly consider, under the aspect of progressively rising energy prices, whether he should not sacrifice a few m³ of enclosed space in favor of efficient system technology with regard to lower consumption costs within a constant budget.

... Most of them are not honest, some are. They then explain to me: "that our forecasts were almost 100% correct and they are now marching toward the final price we indicated in the initial consultation; but with lots of delays and trouble. Would have ... could ..."

Learning money they pay, from which the solid initial consultant unfortunately gets nothing ;-)

.. You also explain that there can be no Bentley at the price of a Lupo.

I assume that is generally understood.

.. Builders you regularly take under your protection do not come closer to the truth, but discredit a mostly very well working profession.

I do not take builders under protection but try, for example, based on failed general contractor/general planner projects, to point out necessities to them. On the one hand you criticize the Billigheimers, on the other you praise the honorable profession of the sellers - how does that fit together? What should an inexperienced prospective builder believe here?

best regards

best regards

Hello €uro,

Isn't that naive or unguarded?

No, plain life experience across all areas of life; I just have a few years of advantage :D

Exactly, therefore clarification about the actual value is necessary.

Neither you nor I will witness this being successful.

So it seems to work after all.

A start, nothing more.

Big corporations with X employees in management have believed that, today they are bankrupt ;-)

They just like to gamble with money that isn't theirs and pay salaries that are beyond good and evil. By the way, Kampa is – since I know the internal affairs very well – an example of very poor knowledge in business/tax/legal necessities; except for one, all managing directors have been busted :-)

Here I disagree. The Internet is an increasing and not to be underestimated power.

It "suggests" power to the individual, but in fact it is just dangerous half-knowledge under the line; with your threads here, you should actually know that better than many others.

I do not defend builders but try, for example using botched general contractor projects, to point out necessities.

It mostly reads differently ...

On the one hand you criticize the cheap guys, on the other you flatter the honorable profession of salespeople – how does that fit together? What is an unguarded prospective builder supposed to believe here?

By the way, I call this statement naive. I know good and bad architects, structural engineers, MEP planners – through my job also good and bad providers – as well as salespeople, to stay in the genre of house building. Nevertheless, I would never come up with the idea to condemn an entire profession because of that, since the vast majority of the aforementioned work quite seriously and in the interest of both parties.

I really believe that you are convinced of what you do and act with the best knowledge and conscience. What I must also believe – at least after this discussion here – is that you think exclusively in black and white; at least as far as your field of expertise is concerned. Unfortunately, you are not willing to acknowledge that there are ultimately always people sitting in front of you. These do not really differ from each other – even if you deal with one as a seller and another as a buyer in business.

Kind regards

Hello Eugen,


Solar thermal system - I can already hear €uro tapping on the keyboard in my mind ;)

I can neither confirm the price for you nor advise against it. Predictions via the Internet without knowing the exact data are about as reliable as predicting lottery numbers. To get a reasonable statement, I recommend having all documents externally reviewed. Only with knowledge of all data - for example, also how the basement is waterproofed - can a reliable statement be given.

As a rule of thumb, you can at best assume in advance that under €1,500.00/sqm/living area plus costs for renewable energies and personal extras, solid quality cannot be achieved in building a single-family house.

Best regards

Hello Bauexperte,

I am actually orienting myself more towards €1700/sqm/living area. So far, all offers have been around that range.

Maybe someone else can answer my questions, they seem to have been overlooked in the discussion between Bauexperte and €uro ;)


When is the underfloor heating installed with the screed? After the interior walls are in place or before? Or does it not matter?
And how is it with the sanitary installation (drain pipes, etc.) also before the screed or after? How should I imagine this?

Thanks in advance!

Best regards, Eugen

Hello Eugen,

I am actually orienting myself more towards €1700/sqm/living space. So far, all offers have been around that range.

If you have included the technology and possibly extras, that fits; my statement refers to the pure base price of a house according to the Energy Saving Ordinance.

When is the underfloor heating installed with the screed? After the interior walls are up or before? Or does it not matter?

Logically, after all walls are standing.

And how is it with the sanitary installation (drain pipes, etc.) also before or after the screed? How should I imagine that?

The rough installation is generally done before the screed is poured.

Kind regards