Noise in the outdoor area with controlled residential ventilation - noise regulation regarding time?

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Payday

2016-09-20 19:13:03
  • #1
As already mentioned, [ta Lärm] will probably settle the matter. Strictly speaking, 40db at night apply at the property boundary.
 

MayrCh

2016-09-21 13:11:20
  • #2
No. The location of the emission points is clearly defined in the TA Lärm. I cannot explain where this unfounded, blanket, persistently maintained gross nonsense about property boundaries comes from.
 

Payday

2016-09-21 17:53:02
  • #3


well, that is not quite correct. under point 2.3 it says:



this means: if the neighbor complains that the neighbor’s plant is too loud on their terrace, the measurement will be taken at the said location.

 

EinMarc

2016-09-21 21:12:50
  • #4


Well, I don’t know what kind of air conditioners you have seen so far, but obviously none of them were proper ones. No offense, just stating a fact.

My (industrial) air conditioner in the workshop produces a maximum of 47dB(A) at the outdoor unit.
The air conditioner I installed for my parents (high-quality consumer unit) is only 42dB(A).
For comparison: 45dB(A) prevail INSIDE a quiet(!) apartment.

If you stand outside (very quiet dead-end street, next busy road several hundred meters away) under my air conditioner, which is mounted at about 2.5m height, you have to look at the fan to find out if it’s running because the rustling of leaves in the wind is still louder.

Of course, if you buy one of those Frigoline China units, you have to live with the corresponding noise levels. Although even those nowadays comply with 56dB(A) at 1m distance. That still makes 42dB(A) at 5m distance.
So my personal opinion: If you hear a heat pump or air conditioner, something is broken or it’s cheap junk. Nowadays, it’s nearly noiseless.
Whether the installer who put in the unit (and has to rework it for free if something isn’t right...) is the right contact for an independent assessment is another matter. Doesn’t matter whether it’s controlled residential ventilation, air conditioning, or heat pump.
 

MayrCh

2016-09-22 09:04:30
  • #5

You are quoting very selectively. You have (deliberately?) omitted the section that defines what a relevant immissions location is and where it is referenced how its position is defined. Professionally and according to the TA Noise, the position of an immissions location is correctly defined according to the subsection you partially quoted as follows:



Correct, that definitely makes sense. BUT: as soon as an attempt is made to derive from the measurement results of a measuring point with an arbitrary location the immission guideline values of TA Noise (which are tied to the aforementioned location of the immissions locations), you will fail. From the relatively simply determined measurement value at a measuring point, an assessment level must in any case be formed, which is then interpolated to an immissions location according to TA Noise. Only the assessment level at an immissions location may be compared with the immission guideline values of TA Noise! Measurement values or even assessment levels away from these fixed immissions locations on terraces or at property boundaries are completely irrelevant according to TA Noise.
 

Payday

2016-09-22 20:39:34
  • #6
I never said anything else either. And of course I quoted selectively, because the exceptions are listed there. And I never spoke of an arbitrary point. But if the noise bothers the neighbor at the boundary because that's where his sleeping place is, then the boundary is the reference point. Basically, any point can be the reference point if there is a (reasonable?) reason for it.

I myself studied acoustics for 2 semesters during my studies. I am familiar with the procedures and calculations for determining the sound pressure level. But no one cares about that here and it is presented in a strongly simplified way.

35 dBA is really little. Even small disturbances can already drown everything out...
 

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