No construction and performance description in GÜ for freely planned house

2023-05-17 12:29:29

From my point of view, Verbraucherzentrale is also the wrong partner for a construction contract review. Find a construction consultant or a specialist lawyer for construction law.

2023-05-17 12:29:57

We have a GÜ, not a GU.

Doesn't matter anyway. Then he simply doesn't have his own construction company. But he "builds" the house for you from one source (with the companies he engaged).

The consumer advice center is supposed to check that. They also noted that it is only an LV, not a real construction and service description.

Sure. In the best case, a trained office clerk checks, based on a checklist and sample construction and service descriptions, whether all items are included. The item "windows with glazing according to the current building energy act" gets a checkmark—even if windows with double glazing and catastrophic sound insulation, manufactured in the hinterland of Congo, are installed. There is no actual technical examination or specific consideration of quality.
This is assembly line work at the consumer advice center, no more and no less. Individuality cannot be provided—and it is not even the aim. The service of the consumer advice center is okay for what they do. But not for you.

2023-05-17 12:40:00

We also had such general assurances in the construction service description like "will be built turnkey in solid, modern, energy-saving construction according to the plans, official regulations, static calculations, and the Energy Saving Ordinance."

And is that really an assurance that provides security? That's just sales talk to make the customer feel comfortable. What exactly does "solid," "modern," or "energy-saving construction" mean, for example (for the latter point, I think of the company wanting to save energy during construction)? Solid timber construction, Ytong, Poroton, which stone with which properties? Modern can be interpreted in many ways – for the company, bahambeige might still be modern. What else should you build by if not according to plans and official regulations etc.? Without that, you don't get a building permit, so this is just stating the obvious on paper. I (but then I also come from the industry) prefer the concrete shopping list, go to the construction controller and have him check (not at the consumer advice center). I prefer to know exactly which window brand with which frame profile and which glazing. Etc. P.S. Why do you always have to wait 600 seconds for a new answer?

2023-05-17 12:46:53

In order to program bots a little better.

2023-05-17 12:54:07

And is that really a guarantee that provides security? That’s just sales talk to make the customer feel comfortable. What exactly does "solid," "modern," or "energy-saving construction" mean, for example (for the last point, I think of the company wanting to save energy during construction)? Solid timber construction, Ytong, Poroton, which stone with what properties? Modern can be interpreted in many ways – for the company, maybe bahambeige is still modern ;-) What else should you build according to than plans and official regulations, etc.? Without those, you won’t get a building permit, so this is just stating the obvious on paper.

I (but then again, I come from the industry) prefer the concrete shopping list, go to the construction controller and have him check it (not at the consumer advice center). I want to know exactly which window brand with which frame profile and what kind of glazing. And so on.

P.S. Why do you always have to wait 600 seconds before a new reply?

Well, that was just an excerpt from the first paragraph, as an example. It is specified more precisely that it concerns the current regulations for new buildings – well, that can also be seen as self-evident. It’s not about my contract for work and services, no one else here from the forum would have signed it as it is, I assume. It’s about the OP’s contract.

But if I have a shopping list, I might know that I’m getting gypsum plaster, but not whether it will be Q2 or Q4. That would be too vague for me. With that kind of description, I would simply be afraid that many extra costs might arise.

2023-05-17 13:00:39

And can you as laypeople really judge whether everything that needs to be done is included in this document (and accordingly in your project)? I couldn’t.

We also had such general assurances in the construction service description like "will be built in solid, modern, energy-saving construction method turnkey according to the plans, the official regulations, the static calculations and according to the Energy Saving Ordinance," or that all necessary planning documents are included, who pays for what (house connections, construction electricity, etc.).

I don’t know your entire document, but if that is just a "shopping list" from the general contractor, that would be too thin for me.

Of course we cannot judge that, which is why we want to have it checked.

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No construction and performance description in GÜ for freely planned house

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