New photovoltaic system with storage in single-family house - experiences

  • Erstellt am 2016-08-29 10:59:06

Alex85

2016-08-31 21:21:49
  • #1
Then do this at an appropriate time and invest your money elsewhere. A power storage system can simply be retrofitted. You are not losing out by refraining from it now. On the contrary, the investment is not worthwhile from today's perspective, and whether it will ever be worthwhile is (highly) speculative.
 

Grym

2016-08-31 21:38:06
  • #2
Of course, it can be that something is added. But it will not be excessively much, because then no one can afford electricity anymore. If you consume an average to slightly below-average amount, you always know that you are not being excessively burdened. Especially electricity consumption for low-income earners is often just as high or even higher than in an average household due to old devices, poor insulation, old technology, etc. If this low-income household already spends, say, 120 EUR for electricity (5,000 kWh) and 100 EUR for heating (each as a monthly installment), then a 20 percent tax already amounts to 44 EUR per month there.

If you, as a home builder, earn rather well and use your highly efficient devices and LEDs in a two- instead of four-person household consuming 600 kWh for heating, 500 kWh for hot water, and 1,500 kWh for household electricity, you end up with an installment of 61 EUR for heating, hot water, and household electricity combined.

You talk about 20 kWh per m2 per year. The brine heat pump makes 20 kWh thermal from 4 kWh electric in the best case. For 150 sqm living space (for two?), that’s 600 kWh electricity per year. The savings costs due to the fireplace are therefore minimal.

And even if energy prices now rise by 20 percent, then you’re simply not at 61 EUR but at nearly 73 EUR including everything.

The problem with this is always that the less you consume, the less efficient savings become. That is why many passive houses also have air/water heat pumps.

If you only consume 15 kWh/m2/year in a passive house, that means 2,250 kWh thermal for a 150 sqm house, plus 900 kWh thermal hot water per person, so for 4 people 3,600 kWh thermal, resulting in nearly 6,000 kWh thermal. With a good air/water heat pump having an annual performance factor of 4 and a good brine/water heat pump having an annual performance factor of 5, this results in 1,500 or 1,200 kWh electric energy. These 300 kWh electricity savings never pay off in a passive house.

But if it really is just about model railways, fun, and what is technically feasible, then:
- Passive house with best insulation, best windows, summer shading with venetian blinds, best south orientation, etc. (of course controlled residential ventilation)
- Brine heat pump
- Photovoltaics with storage (if you take it really seriously, then three-phase)
- Huge, building-internal water storage, extremely insulated (see Timo Leukefeld)
- Plus lots and lots of solar thermal
- Fireplace with water jacket
- Exercise bike from Schwörerhaus feeding into photovoltaic storage (SchwörerTrainer)
- Something new are ice storages
- Of course also lowering the temperature a bit in midwinter and dressing thicker
- Planning through PHPP and a passive house planner
- Photovoltaics/solar thermal can of course also go on the garage or carport, if properly planned
- If you don’t already cycle year-round, then switch the car to electric (or pedelec)
- As far as I know, with a passive house it is also assessed how well it is connected in an area where local public supply is given and public transport can be used, allowing for largely no car usage
- etc....
 

Alex85

2016-08-31 21:42:41
  • #3
In winter, set the heating to frost protection and spend the saved money on wintering in [Malle]
 

f-pNo

2016-08-31 22:58:12
  • #4


... where the electricity presumably again comes from nuclear power.

But seriously:
is asking here, but is determined to go through with it.
We / you have written your opinions on this - now he has to decide for himself how he wants to proceed. Moreover - if it's not failing due to financial reasons: Why shouldn't he use the money for his dream if he has it.
I remember a thread recently where said that he spends the money if he considers it necessary/worthwhile because he can (doesn't have to watch every euro). I think is in a similar situation (financially relatively independent) as he writes - "not taking out a loan for the house." So why shouldn't he go through with it if he can?
Also - each of us wishes to operate as self-sufficiently as possible (which is probably his primary motivation).


Have a look at Tesla's Powerwall.
I have read somewhere that it is significantly more expensive in the German market than in the USA, but maybe you can also buy it directly in America (on your next US vacation :cool.
 

berny

2016-09-01 08:13:53
  • #5
@ f - pNO: Yes, I have already looked at the Powerwall. At the moment, there is a lot of movement in the storage market, and there are now several complete German providers as well, and the development is progressing rapidly. The house construction begins in 2017, completion is in summer 2018, and so I will wait until relatively shortly before moving in to install the photovoltaic system. It can be installed quickly then; empty conduits and space for the storage as well as the control can already be planned during the house construction.

@ Grym: Original collection of ideas; I especially liked the suggestion regarding public transport. It's not really my thing, but the food for thought was good; thank you very much for that! Now I will simply sell the 911, the SL, and the DB 9 and keep only the Tesla; it already has a good battery. Und TSCHÜSS !!!
 

T21150

2016-09-01 08:25:48
  • #6
Hello Berny. We have a gas boiler and thermal solar for hot water. Regards Thorsten
 

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