Massive building vs. Prefabricated building

  • Erstellt am 2019-05-08 11:13:01

haydee

2019-05-08 14:09:43
  • #1
What do you mean by prefabricated house?
Timber frame? The quality can vary widely.

We wanted stone on stone. But Passive House.
The solid stone-on-stone builders we talked to all declined.

Timber frame has it much easier with that, and many have KFW 55 or KFW 40 as standard. They also don’t decline Passive House.

In the end, we ended up with solid wood from a small company around the corner.
Warm in winter, cool in summer – Nordlys, others can do that too.

Wobbling with timber frame is a thing. There are show houses where you get seasick when you walk up the stairs; when the kids jump upstairs, the dishes in the kitchen downstairs rattle. There are also ones where you can jump upstairs as an adult and nothing wobbles downstairs.

If the wall structure doesn’t matter to you, then look for a building partner based on other criteria.

Regarding durability. My parents and my aunt built in the same year. My parents stone on stone, my aunt prefabricated house. Both houses have roughly the same renovation needs after about 40 years.
 

hampshire

2019-05-08 14:13:25
  • #2
KFW 40 means that only 40% of the primary energy demand is used compared to a reference house according to the Energy Saving Ordinance in its currently valid version. This says nothing about the storage capacity of materials.

The heat storage capacity (Q), which is relevant for construction, depends on the specific heat capacity (c), the mass (p), and the wall thickness (d). The following applies: Q = c*d*p. It therefore depends on how the material is used.

The specific heat capacity of spruce wood is about a factor of 2.7 higher than that of calcium silicate brick.
The specific weight of spruce wood is about a factor of 2.5 lower than that of calcium silicate brick.

With the same wall thickness, the materials do not differ much. What makes the difference are air inclusions and insulation.
 

Nordlys

2019-05-08 22:52:40
  • #3
I will gladly admit that a timber construction can be just as pleasant to live in as stone and just as durable. However, we never even thought about wood. For us, it was fixed. Monolithic or, if not too expensive, brick-faced. No ETICS, because we didn’t want a pockpock wall, but a bububub wall, simply desired in terms of feel. Because of the feeling of solidity. And above all, for my wife, it was fixed that the construction should be with a local company. No showrooms, no premium-price palaces, no paperwork for lawyers, no tricks or traps... it should be around the corner and personally managed by the boss. Something like that does not exist here in wood. In this respect, the question did not even arise. KfW was irrelevant to us because we didn’t want anything from them anyway. Indoor climate, we can’t imagine anything under that, good air is sleeping with the window open, in winter it has to be warm, in summer cool, then it’s fine, what is indoor climate? Something esoteric? Tested by dowsers? We have always lived in a stone house and never felt that there was anything wrong with it. So it simply became a stone house. Karsten
 

11ant

2019-05-08 23:04:40
  • #4
I can only keep marveling at how much fuss is made by people whose understanding of physics is based on "pub knowledge" about wall constructions. The fact is: no wall building material used today by a builder / house manufacturer is even remotely capable of being either a Messiah or Beelzebub. The room enclosures are overrated, and all wall- and ceiling-penetrating stuff (pipes, cables, climate equipment) leads a shadowy existence. I also have preferences, and not all are objectively justified - but I would not bother to underestimate other wall constructions. The comparison-test obsession of enlightened consumers today sometimes takes on almost comical traits. Homeowners who trust their builder to know how building works are by no means worse off.
 

Traumfaenger

2019-05-08 23:40:26
  • #5


Thank you! You speak from my heart. There are some never-ending discussions in this forum, and the topic of timber framing / solid construction seems not to die out. Timber framing is always the paper hut, solid construction always the fortress (on whose ETICS unfortunately not even a lamp will hold, but whatever). Unfortunately, the world is not black or white, but at this point some want to irrefutably prove that they have made exactly the right decision and everything else would have been much worse. Maybe it is because this decision is irreversible and one cannot subsequently switch from one construction method to another by remodeling, so it is a fundamental decision that must be defended tooth and nail. The longer I read here in the forum, the less motivated I am to write posts. But I liked yours!
 

hanse987

2019-05-09 00:42:37
  • #6
Every building material has advantages and disadvantages, and almost every builder has their preferences. Otherwise, all buildings would look the same.
 

Similar topics
10.07.2011Wall construction and insulation for Kfw 70 house, okay?19
13.04.2012ETICS, exterior wall, insulation, energy experts' experience reports19
27.02.2013Turnkey prefabricated house - total price okay?59
26.12.2012Prefabricated house / solid house, which construction companies?16
25.06.2014Financial requirements for building a prefabricated house55
16.09.2014Ventilation in prefab houses (wood frame with ETICS) also in solid houses?36
18.08.2016New construction with sand-lime brick + ETICS - Criticism?!32
07.11.2016Cost estimation KfW 40+, calculation of full floors17
15.08.2017Massive construction or prefabricated house29
28.02.2019Construction costs: Single-family house in Baden-Württemberg 2019 (KFW 40 plus)35
08.05.2019Aerated concrete or sand-lime brick with external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) made of polystyrene29
05.02.2020Roof insulation from KfW 55 to KfW 40 on the floor of the attic12
25.10.2020KfW 55 or 40+ for new single-family house construction in Würzburg?27
11.06.2020Sand-lime brick + ETICS, Ytong or sand-lime brick 2-layer14
20.02.2021Exterior wall for KFW 40 (+) with or without ETICS?86
16.08.2021Material exterior walls and interior walls (KfW 55 standard)41
14.12.2021Realistic financial planning for KFW40 prefabricated house?38
17.05.2023Same price: Kfw55 with Poroton monol. OR Kfw40 with Poroton WDVS?31
30.07.2024Solid house or prefab house - experiences?39
21.03.2025New prefabricated house construction on existing basement, what funding options are available10

Oben