Lighting of long narrow living-dining area in terraced mid-terrace house

I understand your desire to move the kitchen a bit further forward. However – if the drawn-in furniture is correct – you would then be sitting with the dining table almost in the sofa. We had something similar in one of our previous semi-detached houses and I must say that this annoyed me the most. A clearer distinction between eating and living conveys a sense of spaciousness to me, rather than it “looking” as if the eating takes place in the living room. But that is just my personal experience.

I don't have any significant features in the middle section.

But here is the central dining table that needs good lighting.

Do you happen to know if a wall outlet is needed there or just a socket?

No, unfortunately I don't know.

I didn't quite understand that :oops: Do you mean to set the table back a bit so it doesn't protrude into the living area?

I meant it like this: based on the kitchen island, distance to the dining table, then adjust the same distance at the bottom right. [ATTACH alt="Bildschirmfoto 2021-07-05 um 12.54.37.png" type="full"]63357[/ATTACH] However, I take that back: Your kitchen island is now unsuitable in depth. You'll have more grease splatters behind it than you'd like. A kitchen island should be 90 cm deep. And the others are right about the optical separation of the dining area from the chill area. Do you have a 2.40 m dining table drawn in? Do you already have it? I would recess it, possibly even turn it and place it against the wall. For the dining table, a pendant lamp, dimmable. I think the wall outlets themselves can only be determined once the kitchen planning is set. If it really becomes a kitchen island, what kind of extractor do you have? From below or lighting from above? It depends on that. The kitchen has task lighting... Or does your kitchen not? Then you can do without the central light. The hallway at the front needs light. My middle left point of the six would also be good for a spotlight that shines light onto the cabinet. Do you like spotlights? LED? My upper left point of the six, I'd skip that one, it just snuck in visually here, if you take these spotlights, but above the dining table this unit is already omitted, so that point is also superfluous since the basement stairs get their own light anyway. When I now plan a rather sensible kitchen as a U-shape (not G), I tend to this plan and consequently to such outlets (without wall outlets, I'll leave those aside). But I must also say, I’m somewhat fearless with the swings because I often change the furniture. So I have more creative desires and sometimes hang the pendant light a meter further than the ceiling outlet is. For me, for example, a table lamp on the kitchen worktop is more chic and decorative than others saying there is a lack of lighting planning ;) [ATTACH alt="Bildschirmfoto 2021-07-05 um 13.31.06.png" type="full"]63358[/ATTACH] [ATTACH alt="Bildschirmfoto 2021-07-05 um 13.30.10.png" type="full"]63359[/ATTACH]

We are definitely interested in your kitchen planning!! That is our next project... We are still going back and forth with the planning. We want to deliberately extend the counter a bit beyond this "kitchen niche" so that the kitchen is not so cramped in the back corner. And we also intentionally moved the dining table a bit more towards the living area so that the room looks a bit more spacious from the table and you don't get the feeling of sitting in a hallway – but the walking distances are really long.... So, we are very happy about practical tips and concrete experiences, so far we're just imagining everything in theory v

I will post it at some point – maybe you will start your own thread about it. I would never make the kitchen that big – the open plan area is simply too small, it doesn't fit! The 3 or 4 m2 where you have "cooking" marked – what exactly do you want to do there, that's more than wasted space! I would place the wall lamp exactly centered above the table, about 150 height. I would mainly put mirrors in the hallway – two mirrors and a rail for jackets in between. Given the tight conditions: flat shoe cabinets and pegboards everywhere where there are no mirrors, where you can hang boxes or bags or backpacks and satchels. It is very flexible and makes good use of the space.

The first picture was our planning – we shifted the island about 10 cm upwards and docked the island to the tall cabinet front with a shallow (=35 cm) base cabinet.

Note that we only have a width of 238 and the extension of the wall on the right has a depth of 293 measured from the window, so with the island we came about 15 cm beyond this line.

The second photo is from a neighboring house, the tiled area is AFAIR 265 wide and 293 deep. All rough construction measurements.

If you now go 150 deeper, you only gain 2 cabinets on one wall side – that is almost nothing for the wasted 4 or 5 m2 (our entire kitchen is less than 7 m2!) We did it so that we have a large Pax cabinet right down in the basement hallway where the less frequently used kitchen utensils disappear. For that, our kitchen as it is now works perfectly.

I have no significant functions in the middle section. I have the kitchen + kitchen sofa in the garden area with a large window front and the "living room part" in the front area. The window there is sufficiently large so you’re not sitting in the dark. In the middle section, I have storage room and office. My house has the same dimensions as the OP’s. I don’t know how one can perceive such a house as dark.

I think the idea to move the kitchen and dining area towards the garden and the living room towards the entrance is great!

The first picture was our planning – we moved the island up by 10 cm and docked the island to the tall cabinet front with a shallow (=35cm) base cabinet.

Note that we only have a width of 238 and the extension of the wall on the right has a depth of 293 measured from the window, so with the island we came about 15 cm past this line.

The second photo is from a neighboring house, the tiled area is AFAIR 265 wide and 293 deep. All raw construction dimensions.

If you now go 150 deeper, you only gain 2 cabinets on one side of the wall – that’s almost nothing for the wasted 4 or 5 m2 (our entire kitchen is less than 7 m2!). We solved it by having a large PAX cabinet right below in the basement hallway, where the less frequently used kitchen utensils disappear. That way, our kitchen as it is now works perfectly for us.

Wow, the cladding of your neighbors’ tall cabinets looks fantastic :D:D We personally don’t like this side view from the dining room onto the rather massive 60cm deep tall cabinets for the oven and fridge all that much, but through the cladding and the “floating effect” they look completely different! But it’s probably from an expensive kitchen studio, right? Unfortunately, our budget is limited to 15 - max. 20,000 euros including appliances.
I also like your island solution. Do you have enough space to get past the island to the dining area? I am always afraid it might get too tight and you always have to “walk around”.
Everything in the kitchen that is not absolutely necessary and only used once in a blue moon will also move to the basement at our place.
Is it not dark in your dining area then, or do you always need the ceiling lamp there, or does it work without? I would at least not like to have to switch on the lamp all the time during the day.
My drawn kitchen design was only a rough first draft, right now we are leaning towards a two-liner with a counter in front (which is not that far off from your design). But I think I will open a separate thread for that.