Is an extra circuit / residual current device really necessary for the office?

  • Erstellt am 2020-06-09 17:23:46

Vicky Pedia

2020-06-09 17:50:50
  • #1
The extra electrical circuit makes perfect sense, as it "decouples" the office from the house. Another RCD does not make sense. In general, 1 RCD per house is sufficient for personal protection, as it trips in any case. Nevertheless, two are usually installed with the reasoning that if one actually trips, there is at least light in half the house. Why the RCD should lead to a larger sub-distribution is also unclear to me. As a rule, a sub-distribution is designed with a 20% installation reserve (exactly for these reasons). If one addition disrupts the entire concept, it was a planning error anyway!
 

Flocko1

2020-06-09 17:55:43
  • #2

Oh, now I understand. Sorry.
Maybe the other circuits / fuses are already fully loaded with the two RCDs? Best ask the electrician why he wants to install a new additional circuit and why an extra RCD is necessary.
 

Tarnari

2020-06-09 17:55:48
  • #3

I deliberately added a wink.
I just wanted to point out that with near certainty, you will have spent more money on your computers in the foreseeable future.
The €500 will eventually get lost in the background noise.
Our motto for home electrics is: better too much than too little. One of those things that can only be changed later at great expense.
 

Tego12

2020-06-09 18:22:31
  • #4
So for me, that already sounds like "making extra business." A separate fuse is one thing, but an additional RCD, that is a third one, has no advantages at all in my understanding. However, if the control cabinet is so tightly dimensioned that this one office is already pushing its capacity limits, I would also want a bigger one here; who knows what might be retrofitted later, a little reserve doesn't hurt. As mentioned above... how is this little bit more supposed to blow up the control cabinet with proper planning... there was wrong planning from the start, or the electrician is simply trying to make a little more money now.
 

kati1337

2020-06-09 18:55:29
  • #5


Thanks, that helps me. That was more or less my impression too, or I was skeptical that an office should trigger it. But I'm not sure.
I also sent it to the general contractor to clarify. We have an air-water heat pump with ventilation system and photovoltaics also commissioned through the general contractor. Of course, these also take up space in the distribution box. But these items were included in the installation, so “complete” in the offer.
Now our office comes with 8-10 more sockets, and in the house, we have a few distributed – each bedroom +1, in the living area +2, and in the kitchen +4. Our sockets together with photovoltaics and the air-water heat pump can probably already cause a larger distribution board to be needed. The question now is of course whose problem that is. If the distribution for the offer from the general contractor "just barely" would have been enough, and then we have to pay a surcharge of not 500 but 1000€ for 15 sockets, then that doesn't feel quite fair. We did not pay too small surcharges for the air-water heat pump and photovoltaics. But this is currently under clarification with the general contractor, so they have not just said "that's your problem." Let's wait and see.


Yes, better safe than sorry is of course a good motto when you consider what an expansion presumably costs afterwards.



Thank you. Yes, my husband also wants an electric car someday, so it would be good to have space for that. Regarding the original planning, see above. I assume or hope that the topic of the distribution board simply slipped by the general contractor.
The electrician also charged us for the second RCD (which now has to be installed according to regulations). But the general contractor said that the electrical installation is done according to regulations and if it is required by regulations, then we do not need to pay separately for it (they are sorting that out among themselves).

Our first point of contact was, of course, the inquiry with the electrician. Some things were explained to us well and in detail, e.g., why the CAT cables have to go inside the wall without conduit. Some things could not really be explained, e.g., why we should have a patch panel and switch installed by them for a 600€ surcharge because otherwise you “could not measure through the CAT cables.” On inquiry, the only answer was that it’s a lot of labor time (lol?), and that we could also do it ourselves if we wanted.

Regarding the office / extra circuit / RCD, we received this answer:
“if you reduce the sockets by 15 and the office does not get an extra supply line and also no own RCD, which unfortunately is necessary for the PCs, then the larger distribution can be eliminated.

However, please do not use multiple socket adapters there. That would lead to a great fire risk.”

I still don’t quite know what to make of that. I’ve used multiple socket adapters all my life and have never seen one catch fire.
 

Tarnari

2020-06-09 19:13:24
  • #6
Again, here with a wink.
I don’t know how proficient you are with hardware. But I hope you have computers that require a (good) 700W power supply and not just some random China junk that ends up delivering only 500 with terrible efficiency. SLI or Crossfire? Intel 28-core?
I hope not, otherwise a 700 watt power supply doesn’t make sense.
Just to illustrate how quickly you might spend unnecessary money.
 

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