Hydraulic balancing, disable single room control?

  • Erstellt am 2020-10-06 12:15:44

lesmue79

2021-11-17 20:54:29
  • #1
With a pump with PWM, the automatic setting at 100% doesn’t help as far as I know. If anything, you have to set the pump to a constant flow rate. My circulating pump also has 100% power available on paper (heating controller), but it regulates itself based on the differential temperature and currently fluctuates between 50% and 65%.

Concrete example: I give the pump 100% power permission for heating, have all balancing valves on the heating circuit distributor opened to 100%, and the thing pushes 650 l/h through the system, showing it’s hovering around 50-65%.

When the system is in hot water mode, the pump power jumps to nearly 100% and the pump circulates 1300 l/h.

The control behavior may vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, however.
 

Malz1902

2021-11-18 07:49:55
  • #2
I have a stupid question, I have Topmeters from 0-3l/min in my heating circuit distributor. The same manufacturer also offers Topmeters 0.5-5l/min. If I now replace the old one with the new one in the bathroom, would the room then have a max of 5l/min?
 

tomtom79

2021-11-18 08:26:15
  • #3
I don't suppose so. Because it depends on the pump and the pipe diameter.
 

driver55

2021-11-18 15:46:32
  • #4
What flow rate was calculated? Are you currently already at the limit (3l/min)? At some point you enter the thermal short circuit, then it messes up your entire energy input into the underfloor heating.
 

annab377

2021-11-18 17:03:21
  • #5


Does this mean that you practically don’t have to set the HUP to 100% for the thermal balancing because it also “modulates” according to PWM?

Another question: if I fully open all the top meters and then gradually lower the heating curve step by step. Isn’t there a case where the pump is overloaded with so many open top meters and fails early? Or is there no such thing as too much flow?

Because the more flow there is, the lower the flow temperature has to be, that is clear. But is there also too much (at the cost of the HUP’s lifespan)?
 

lesmue79

2021-11-18 19:05:58
  • #6
Just because the new top meter shows more, the pump does not push more into the heating circuit.

It depends on the pump; some you can set to a constant volume flow, others not.

The more top meters you have open, the less the pump has to work. Every half-open or closed top meter represents an additional pressure loss that the pump has to compensate for.

At a certain point, it is said that increasing the pump power no longer makes sense because the efficiency gained in terms of compressor performance through the lower flow temperatures is negated by the additional power consumption of the UWP.

Just as an example (which does not mean that this is necessarily the case): what do you prefer – that the compressor dies after 5 years and has to be replaced for 2500-3000€ because it was cycled to death? Or that maybe after 10 years a UWP breaks for 300€ and is replaced by the heating technician for 200€?
 

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