House construction 2024, affordable with little equity?

  • Erstellt am 2022-04-06 11:41:28

Yaso2.0

2022-04-07 11:10:03
  • #1


That’s what I wanted to get at.

With a new building, you don’t have to immediately set aside the obligatory €3 or €3.5 per m² monthly.

But that would then be another question: when do you have to expect the first maintenance of a new building? I’m not talking about renovations.

Our semi-detached house is from 2006 and so far I don’t see anything that would require big money in the next 5 years.

In the past 6 years, we invested about €1000 once in replacing a pump in the heating system. That’s it.
 

Oetti

2022-04-07 11:21:13
  • #2


I rather have the feeling that with your own property you have to expect new acquisitions costing 3 €/m2 in the first few years. Here a few new plants in the garden, there new garden chairs, ooh those new solar lights look great, ...

Costs also arise with a new property, even if they are not directly for maintenance. But no matter what, I would still try each month not to spend everything to the last cent but to put a few euros aside. After all, an expensive car repair or something else is sure to come at some point.
 

askforafriend

2022-04-07 17:26:05
  • #3


Interesting points - which I do not share at all and think that although you made the right decision emotionally (because you are very fearful there), it is a short-sighted one.

If you simply live renting and do not save anything at all, you will not be one of those 60-year-olds who can rely on a paid-off house - but rather one of those who have rented for 30 years and will be significantly poorer than the comparable property owner.

Keep in mind that the 1.5% or 2% repayment you make on a real estate loan is a form of saving - which you as a renter also need. And on top of your 2000 euros warm rent, a few hundred euros will come on top - so from an income/expense ratio, you are not living in luxury as a tenant either.

Instead of fearing a well-plannable (since reviewed monthly) interest rate increase in 15/20 years and worrying about the follow-up financing when the time comes (which is really well plannable), I would have massive fear because of constantly rising rents and, for example, a termination due to owner’s own use / termination in general. And if you compare a nice large apartment with a single-family house plus garden, that’s apples and oranges. If you get divorced in 12 years, you can sell the house, pay the costs from the proceeds, and both of you benefit. If you have to find a new place in Berlin in 12 years, well good luck with what you’ll pay in rent then.

It is important to understand that renting is not the "safe bank" either, as you also bear other risks. If you pay 2,000 euros today, what will the rent be like shortly before retirement with a 1.5% annual increase? That scares me!

I don’t want to bring up the rent vs. buy discussion again, but you have to consider that there are risks with both options.

You simply decided for consumption (see vacations etc.) instead of building something financially over decades. Let me be clear again: What do you prefer? At 60 a property near Berlin that is, for example, 80% paid off, or at 60 paying 3,000 euros warm rent?

The reason why very few renters have built significant wealth is because you cannot save anything beyond the rent. At least you should use the high amount that monthly goes to the bank (or in your case to the landlord) (this is called “repayment”).
 

WilderSueden

2022-04-07 17:56:02
  • #4
But that is a naively simplistic calculation. Even just the 20% equity you should bring for a property helps build a decent fortune if invested well. By the way, tenants usually save that equity themselves. If you are in your early/mid-30s and don’t invest 100k equity in a property but instead invest it at 5%, you can expect 550k by retirement in 35 years without additional contributions. Of course, you won’t get such returns in a savings account; you have to go to the stock market. But such returns are quite realistic there. By the way, the calculation ignores a few points. First, during the savings phase for a property, you’re already at a disadvantage because you can only partially invest the money in the stock market. It would be bad if you find your dream house during a stock market crash and your equity is down 40%. On the other hand, for many people, the costs of homeownership are likely higher than for a comparable rented property. You want to get rid of high debts reasonably quickly. If I then divert 200-300€ per month from the mortgage payment into an ETF savings plan, the final calculation looks different as well. And in the end, you’re left with a huge lump sum in the form of homeownership. Usually, you can only turn that into cash by throwing yourself out of your house and selling it. With a portfolio, you can easily liquidate 10%. However, with a house, you have the tax-free appreciation.
 

askforafriend

2022-04-07 18:02:05
  • #5


Don’t do that, but rather invest the money in a luxury holiday home in the countryside.

I’m simply in favor of ownership plus ETFs as retirement provision – I just don’t understand why there’s no middle ground – apparently there were only single-family houses with gardens as ownership or a rented apartment in Berlin. What about the condominium in the commuter belt? Still better than renting.
 

Yaso2.0

2022-04-07 18:28:54
  • #6


OT: who do you turn to if you want to be advised independently on investment opportunities?
 

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