Half GU

Hello €uro,

In the case of a new building, there is hardly any risk for a contractor to provide missing services also at a fixed price! If not, he is in the wrong place!

What if he doesn’t care because he already has his ducks in a row? This construct has in the past often directly led into the problem zone.

Mistake, there is no "fixed price guarantee over everything" here!!!
That is exactly why this interim solution is so interesting!

I see that differently as well, although I don’t know the BB. You seem to overlook that the profitable margin remains with the shell builder.

It would only be interesting if the OP could choose the shell builder and all subsequent trades himself; then we would be back to awarding via architect with all its pitfalls for laymen.

The described construct reminds me of "packet soups" and these usually have too much flavor enhancer ;)

Rhenish greetings

I think it still won't be that easy.
Contract Customer - General Contractor: fixed price
Contract Customer - Craftsmen: ???

What is simple and at the same time overall reasonable or economic? ;-) Claims that exclude each other due to the competition of individual demands!
As already described, also fixed price! Logical! What unexpected peculiarities could affect a heating engineer if all details have been planned/defined exactly according to the available dimensioning? None!!! What difficulties would he have in submitting a fixed price offer here? ;-)

...What is the situation if the craftsmen contracts do not match the fixed price contract?

The fixed price always refers to the respective contract contents.

...Who pays the craftsmen?

Always the client, but only after inspection by the verkaufsunabhängige site supervision, if the client was smart enough to arrange this contractually!

Best regards.

As already described, fixed price as well! Obviously! What unexpected peculiarities should a heating engineer encounter when all details have been exactly planned/defined according to the given dimensions? None!!! What difficulties would he have in submitting a fixed price offer here? ;-)

But the OP hasn't written that yet! We don't know how the contractual relationships will be. The answer to the question is still pending and thus the problems I mentioned are (still) relevant. If everything is fixed price, the risk is indeed manageable.

Hello construction expert,

...What if he is not interested in that, since he already has his ducks in a row?

Which ducks? I am talking here about my construction where the HVAC technician is a direct contractor of the client!

... You seem to overlook that the profitable margin stays with the shell builder. ...

That certainly depends on the individual case. When I advise clients regarding own work, it is definitely consistent that own work on the shell construction is most effective, which completely disrupts the offers of so-called self-build or expansion houses!
Self-builders complete the rising masonry for the ground floor of a 1.5-story building with interior walls fully in two weekends! You really can’t save more money than that! ;-)

... then we would be back to awarding via the architect with all its pitfalls for laypeople.

Not at all. Every detail can be contractually fixed and managed individually as a fixed price!
That is exactly the advantage of this, my model, which is rather unpleasant for fully offering general contractors! ;-)

Best regards

Hello €uro,

although we are drifting off a bit here, now I am curious :D

Which little sheep?

Marge & (almost) no risk

I am talking here about my construct, where the HVAC technician is a direct employee of the builder!

Who prepares the necessary calculations? Who handles the tenders? Who checks the incoming advance payments from the craftsmen? Who supervises the work? Who assumes responsibility for the thermal insulation certificate and fills out *up front* for example the 153 form, which financing banks usually want and must be confirmed before moving in? And so on and so forth...

Self-builders complete the rising masonry for a ground floor of a 1.5-story building completely within two weekends! You really can't save more money than that! ;-)

That is - theoretically - correct. Only, not every builder is suitable as a self-builder and not for every builder is the construction of the shell in self-labor a topic. The next question concerns the construction supervision of the self-labor shell. I can hardly imagine that a craft business would be so foolish as to work on a shell that has not been expertly supervised and accepted. Or the window installer, who will hardly be keen to appear frequently on-site to check the measurements for the windows. There is a reason why the experienced self-build house providers only sell with expert supervision and I do not mean here the green or blue faction.

Then comes the next topic: time. A single-family house - and quite a few try to complete this entirely in self-labor - demands high discipline and that over weeks and months. Not every partnership, every marriage gets through this period unscathed.

You - sorry, my humble opinion - are too focused on the customers who are unwilling to pay a fair wage for proper performance. I also always read that from you when it comes to the costs of HVAC. Remember, we have already emailed about this that your pricing in my opinion will catch up with you again... from another HVAC planner who is a bit cheaper. This is a treadmill - once set in motion, it lacks a brake.

Not at all. Every detail can be bound individually via fixed price and handled as well!

I do not contradict that; I primarily meant the frequently voiced opinion that it is difficult to find a good architect.

Exactly that is the advantage of this, my model, which a completely offering general contractor is rather unpleasant! ;-)

You probably overestimate yourself and your model a bit :) But interesting that you - alongside the HVAC - still have time for construction consulting (do you also supervise the tender?).

No provider - not even the bargain providers - assumes that every inquiry will lead to a contract. The market is wide-ranging and in the end everyone gets what they deserve.

Rhenish greetings

Thanks for all the answers.

However, I would not leave tenders, remaining contracts, and construction management to them! ;-) Without internal construction management, no construction project can be realized, so this is by no means a marketing argument. Important is an external, sales-independent construction supervision that keeps an eye on the executor! Only positive evaluations from them should justify partial payments! ;-)

OK. Will do! :)

We do not know what the contractual relationships will be. The answer to the question is still pending, and therefore the problems I mentioned are (still) relevant. If all are fixed prices, the risk is actually manageable.

He promised us an offer with the breakdown of all trades. Therefore, I assume it is a fixed price. I will inquire about it.

I see it differently as well, although I don’t know the general terms and conditions. You seem to overlook that the profitable margin remains with the shell constructor.

Yes, he said he adds a bit on top of all trades.

It would only be interesting if the OP could choose the shell constructor and all follow-up trades himself; then we would be back to awarding via architect with all its pitfalls for laymen.

Here we can at least choose whether we want to include a trade or do it ourselves or bring in another company. Whether we can choose among his companies I doubt, but I will inquire.

Who prepares the necessary calculations? Who makes the tenders? Who checks the incoming progress payments from the craftsmen? Who supervises the work? Who takes responsibility for the thermal insulation certificate and fills out *up front* for example the 153 form, which financing banks usually require and must be confirmed before moving in? And, and, and ...

This company does all of that. Only the 153 form he did not mention. I have to inquire.