Gas condensing boiler or LW heat pump for water-bearing fireplace?

  • Erstellt am 2014-02-23 23:35:55

FrankDr

2014-03-03 10:38:18
  • #1


It would be nice if at least the moderators did not just throw scraps to newcomers.
I have described the idea of the water-carrying fireplace very clearly above. An air-water heat pump is already a huge expense, especially since our terrain is very terraced and difficult, and electricity prices are currently exploding, as there are no/ hardly any heat pump tariffs anymore.
 

Bauexperte

2014-03-03 11:51:06
  • #2
Hello,


That’s a good point – I also find it helpful if newbies would use the search function; the topic "water-bearing fireplace" is often, in my opinion, exhaustively discussed.


An air-water heat pump does not cost more or less than common gas condensing technology including solar domestic hot water heating and has little to nothing to do with your terrain.

As far as I know, the heat pump tariff still exists nationwide in Germany; there aren’t that many electricity producers and they are still sticking to this pricing model. And if you already use the search function, then also look for threads with air-water heat pumps, then you will quickly come to the conclusion that such a unit requires less than 0,x of electricity per year. The argument that an air-water heat pump heats using electricity thus does not hold.

In your reply to €uro – #3 – you show that you are not willing to address his arguments; €uro works full time with systems for heat generation in single-family houses. You retreat to the point that you can get the devices of one supplier cheaper through your contact. What if the configurations offered by them are not transferable to the requirements of your construction project? For better understanding: I still get spare parts for an Italian vehicle cheaper than many others today. That is of no use to me at all if a German car is parked in my parking space.

All in all, it reads as if you have a cemented opinion about "your" future heating technology. If – as expressed by €uro or me – doubts about its sensefulness are voiced, you apparently do not want to hear them. So why do you even ask? Just go through with the thing with your contact and that’s that...

Rhenish greetings
 

Mycraft

2014-03-04 09:22:10
  • #3
I cannot confirm that, a gas condensing boiler including connection costs is definitely cheaper to purchase nowadays than an air heat pump, and solar thermal energy is not necessarily required... if it is, then the price for a gas condensing boiler+ST+connection is still just below the price of an air heat pump.
 

€uro

2014-03-04 10:00:07
  • #4
If a wrong air heat pump was selected, that might be true, but it is very unlikely! With an exact basic assessment, that is less to be expected!
I am certainly grateful for concrete examples where it would be possible to get by with a gas condensing boiler without a solar thermal system!

Best regards

NB:
Gas condensing boiler enthusiasts are recommended to have heat meters for heating and hot water. The comparison with consumption according to the gas meter significantly contributes to sobering up => JNG!
 

Bauexperte

2014-03-04 10:05:40
  • #5
Hello,


That may have been the case for you; so you must ask your provider.

In recent years, the share of air-to-water heat pumps or geothermal heat pumps in house construction has steadily increased; consequently, the quantities sold have increased and thus the selling price has decreased. This also applies, by the way, to controlled residential ventilation, whether with or without heat recovery. A few years ago, this still cost around EUR 13,000, but today a reasonable system with heat recovery hardly costs more than EUR 10,000.

Rhenish regards
 

DerBjoern

2014-03-04 10:06:26
  • #6
It also always depends on the location what is cheaper and by how much. Here, I can hardly get heat pump electricity any cheaper. The cheapest tariff here is 21.5 cents + €5.95 basic fee per month for the extra meter. I don’t save anything compared to the 27 cents for the regular tariff. The gas connection didn’t cost me €1000. That made it very difficult for the heat pump in the amortization calculation.
 

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