Floor plan design: Single-family house with basement; 560 sqm plot

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hanghaus2023

2024-04-26 15:34:21
  • #1
I am still at #17. Your house has not changed in complexity or size.
 

ypg

2024-04-26 15:42:01
  • #2

there are reasons for that. Labor time and not to forget equipment have their justified posts, which of course are reflected in an invoice. Every entrepreneur has to proportionally calculate his acquisitions and wages into his invoices, otherwise he would never be able to pay for his equipment or craftsmen.


I do not see it that way. Of course, own work relaxes the financial situation, but from a flat assumed €830,000 (200 sqm living space x €3000 + 100 sqm basement x €1500 + €50,000 incidental construction costs + €30,000 garage) you do not make €500,000.

That is not correct: as a rule of thumb, you can add another 1/3 to the material costs for work equipment and small items. (At least that always worked very well for us)
And even if you want to take 2 years, you have not made the invoices with your body, which will eventually be mentally and physically worn out.
I assume that you are still working? and also want to work 8 hours/day? Apart from the driving around to the construction site and hardware stores to get equipment/small materials, you are left with only about 20/25 hours a week that you can bill at €20/hour. As a layman you will need double the time anyway compared to a trained craftsman, your friend and helper might possibly sacrifice his private time for you for 2 weeks, but not for a year, and certainly not unpaid.

To clarify once again: you work at an hourly rate worth €20. That is 25 hours per week, so €500, per month that's €2000.
That is roughly €20,000 in 10 months. For €200,000 you therefore need 100 months.

For painting work, floor coverings and the like, also the odd small task, you roughly consume your annual vacation.
And then there is the dear boss, who looks the other way for a while, but not for a year, where his employee focuses more on his construction site and on YouTube videos about DIY work than on recovering and recharging energy during weekends/vacations for his earnings.

Regarding rough estimation and own work: the bank wants figures that are comprehensible and where the own work is also feasible within a framework. Also within a time frame. They will finance a "turnkey" house more than a long-term construction site where you limit your craft knowledge to painting work and garden landscaping.



I find that somewhat "uncoordinated": you could actually do the excavation yourself, also the stair covering, and the roofing should not be a big deal either.

Regarding the floor plans: no discussion with only one floor. That usually does not work. Basically, they can all reduce the living area a bit, whether the house is executed in EL or by a specialist. Anyone who has €500,000 available does not reach for the stars. That’s my opinion.
 

ypg

2024-04-26 15:47:46
  • #3
Edit... sorry... or are you a trained craftsman? There was something about a workshop. Then you might earn a better hourly rate, so you can provide more than an office worker. Then it might be 40€/hour. You would still need 50 months for 200000€...
 

ypg

2024-04-26 18:02:02
  • #4


Who put the bird of self-performed work into your head now? Was it an acquaintance? And they would then quasi bear a long-term construction site for free and naively?



... because often many things leave me speechless, ...

to be read on the page of Dr. Klein, source July 2023:

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V1 and V2: the path to the kitchen is maximally long. Roof orientation brings nothing in winter.
 

JKHandler

2024-08-11 17:19:15
  • #5
Hello everyone,

after a longer period of consideration and research, we are getting back to you with the following changes:

    [*
      Budget increased by approximately 35%
      [*]Adjusted space requirements:
      [LIST=1]
      [*]Basement: workshop, storage, utility room, technical room
      [*]Ground floor: guest room/office, bathroom, pantry, kitchen, dining and living room
      [*]Upper floor: Child1, Child2, parents, bathroom

    [*]Basement under the garage is cancelled

Our architect has created the following preliminary drafts for us. These serve as initial guidance (the upper floor, for example, has two variants due to different technical shafts).

After consultation with the chimney sweep, the positioning of the chimney (chimney with separate air duct) is only difficult to realize as it stands (according to structural analysis, BImSchV) and furthermore counterproductive for solar. Instead, the chimney would have to be moved to the ridge as shown in the floor plan (i.e. chimney without separate duct, recommended by the chimney sweep). As a result, the chimney on the upper floor would stand right in the middle of the hallway. In general, due to the ridge orientation and BImSchV, the positioning of the chimney is strongly prescribed.

The question we are now asking ourselves is: Can and should the current floor plan be further developed, or does the situation with the chimney require starting over? Maybe you have ideas and suggestions.

For completeness, our first "concerns" about the floor plan:

    [*]Children's rooms possibly a bit too small
    [*]Too much hallway space on the upper floor
    [*]Master bedroom too small for the large, already existing bed, while the walk-in closet is too large

Thanks and best regards
 

ypg

2024-08-11 18:07:51
  • #6
What kind of roof is supposed to go on there now? I don't see a staggered shed, but a conventional captain's house?
 

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