Faucet without mixer? Only hot/cold?

  • Erstellt am 2016-07-22 21:31:59

Saruss

2016-07-23 19:13:55
  • #1
So with gas, the costs per kWh are about one third to one quarter compared to electricity, which offsets the low heat losses; in my previous apartment, however, the hot water was also heated in a kind of flow-through process in the gas boiler, which combines both advantages.

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Steffi33

2016-07-23 19:34:05
  • #2
Well.. but a gas boiler keeps a 100-liter tank at temperature 24 hours a day plus reheating the withdrawn water... An instantaneous water heater heats maybe 60 liters during half an hour a day...
 

Saruss

2016-07-23 23:31:12
  • #3

Reheating costs just as much energy with a tankless system as with the tank. The only difference is therefore the amount of energy the tank uses to maintain temperature. Our tank here loses under 5 degrees in 24 hours, which means for me about 15% of the energy (this also matches the heat energy loss specification from the manufacturer). With gas boilers, the energy costs only about a quarter, so you can keep the water warm for 300/15=20 days at the same cost as an electric tankless water heater (400% energy amount, minus 100% to heat up and per day 15% to maintain temperature). I hope that was enough calculation to follow, for more numbers I need more input. Putputput.
Otherwise, one should note that gas boilers also do not have their highest efficiency immediately after starting up, but first have to "warm up" (simply put, for example, the heat exchangers inside need to be heated, etc.). Therefore, it is additionally more efficient to load a tank than, for example, to fire briefly just to wash hands. That would at least argue in favor of a small tank when considering gas tankless vs gas with tank.
Likewise, of course, an electric tankless water heater also has a lower efficiency, especially with many small volumes of water.
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Sir_Kermit

2016-07-24 07:49:43
  • #4
Hi, That is clear to me. This only occurs with storage tanks. Kermit Sent from tablet, sorry for typos
 

Steffi33

2016-07-24 09:46:30
  • #5
Hello Saruss, thank you very much for the detailed explanation. Exactly that kind of thing is very interesting.. I just didn't quite understand what the 20 days are that come out in your calculation.. Is that the time the instantaneous water heater could now heat to compensate for the heat loss of the storage tank (considering costs)? Best regards, Steffi.
 

Steffi33

2016-07-24 10:06:23
  • #6
Just thought about it again... basically, it's enough to know how much the 15% loss per year costs me... and then you would have to compare whether you can generate your hot water with a flow heater for exactly this amount... is that correct?
 

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